Stefan de Vrij

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How is it the coach's fault if management calls a player up to sign a new deal only to tell him that instead they're going to sell him? What can a coach do with a mentally broken person? A freaking psychologist cannot deal with that, let alone a football coach...

De Vrij was not himself for years.
Mentally broken do you even know what that mean?

I worked with mentally unstable and challenged individuals… so sorry there no one here that is broken… if he was broken he would not play, certainly not at this level and he certainly wouldn’t bounce back so fast, that I can guarantee you.

Sorry, but this is a laughable comparison. How do you even compare a solo athlete environment with a football player? Almost every solo athlete is mentally broken at some point and it's up to them to recover, there's nothing someone does with sweet talking that gets you to bounce back.

Cycling today is as much a team effort/sport as it’s an individual sports… the sport massively changes the last 10 years. Many teams have tremendous focus on groups, groups dynamics etc and get them
To perform as a unity and to sacrifice for each others, the individual views that I see many look through has long been replaced years ago.
I wanna see if you're going to think that Inzaghi improved something this year and he got De Vrij to perform really well. Did he complete a Coursera certificate on people management or something?
No he just figured out how to use him correctly.

There was never anything wrong with him mentally or else he would not have returned the way he did.

No one magically recover themselves mentally, if that was indeed the problem. So Im sorry I simply don’t buy that hypothesis.

I also don’t buy the contract negotiations hypothesis.
You'd be getting somewhere if De Vrij was doing things with the national team during this time, but he was even worse over there...
They been rather trash for some time… hardly surprising he didn’t exactly perform
 

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We can just hope he can deliver this season, we want him in that form from two years ago, we gonna need that for sure.
 

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Mentally broken do you even know what that mean?

I worked with mentally unstable and challenged individuals… so sorry there no one here that is broken… if he was broken he would not play, certainly not at this level and he certainly wouldn’t bounce back so fast, that I can guarantee you.

You do realize this is a figure of speech, right? It's not like he was in clinical depression, why are you being so literal?


I'm obviously talking about an athlete's freaking confidence levels and not about psychiatrics here...

Cycling today is as much a team effort/sport as it’s an individual sports… the sport massively changes the last 10 years. Many teams have tremendous focus on groups, groups dynamics etc and get them
To perform as a unity and to sacrifice for each others, the individual views that I see many look through has long been replaced years ago.

Again. Irrelevant.

I have much respect for Cyclism, but you're trying to create a narrative that's just not there.

No he just figured out how to use him correctly.

Very little has changed and the coach's approach isn't one of them.

It's also still too early to judge, but De Vrij hasn't had a sequence of games like this since early Inzaghi days where he had to work for Dimarco's inability to play LCB tactically or physically, which exposed our defense a lot whenever it happened.


There was never anything wrong with him mentally or else he would not have returned the way he did.

No one magically recover themselves mentally, if that was indeed the problem. So Im sorry I simply don’t buy that hypothesis.

I also don’t buy the contract negotiations hypothesis.

Again, taking something too literally.

A player can regain confidence at any time. It's entirely up to him, provided that the environment isn't toxic.


Contract negotiations are in fact the only thing that ticks all the boxes with timing and performance issues.

They been rather trash for some time… hardly surprising he didn’t exactly perform

Erm, he actually stopped playing apart from a few Nations League appearances ever since that time. Wasn't even called up recently.

He was shit in the Nations League, which they almost could have won. And he was relegated to a bench role. Obviously they also saw a broken player. If it were merely a tactical adjustment, I wonder what changed between November 2021 until today with the Dutch NT that had to relegate De Vrij to a training cone. You'd assume that they switched from a back 3 to a back 4, but ironically enough, the opposite happened. They switched to a back 3 that should have highlighted De Vrij's best traits, but instead he was sent to the bench.
 

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Again he was played higher up field, it was quite obvious he didn’t feel confident in that.
I really don't think him playing deep or not stands....

De Virj heat map:
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for comparison Nikola Milenković:
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With Fiorentina having 61% possession I seriously cannot call De Virj has been playing deep.

also I highly doubt a coach in tactical application can affect numbers like Interception and Clearance, which the interception /90 mins and clearance /90mins:
  1. 2020-2021 - 1.348684211 3.125
  2. 2021-2022 - 1.194029851 1.940298507
  3. 2022-2023 - 1.851851852 3.703703704

I think the renewal talks and everything had demotivated him and motivated him now.
Blaming Inzaghi is a bit LMFAO, we had been doing well, with a high back line.

Also one last thing is, did you watch the year De Virj was underperforming? He even stopped in the middle of pressuring an opponent; I mean how can you blame the coach for that? And yes the "boss" is supposed to manage the team and keep people motivated and happy, but there is more than 1 boss (Simone Inzaghi), there are also upper management, which are part of the "company" & "team" culture.
 
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This might make it easier to see, that lots of his interceptions are not in low positions.

If you are referring to extreme high line, where CBs are at midfield line, and extensively using offside traps; then yes, but our play style are definitely not playing low.
Our CBs positions are highly dependent on the amount of pressure we are inserting at the moment, and also if the opponent has penetrated the midfield already.

Also Lukaku is more the burden of the team in terms of unable to play a higher D-line.

He is just a lot more attentive and focus. I don't think it is that hard to related in real life.
 
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He is like a new signing. People were complaining that we extend his contract. Now this looks like another Beppe Masterclass. He wasn't former defender of the season by accident
 

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He is like a new signing. People were complaining that we extend his contract. Now this looks like another Beppe Masterclass. He wasn't former defender of the season by accident
I'm all for giving Marotta the credit he rightly deserves, but I don't see how De Vrij finding his old form has anything to do with Beppe. If there's any credit to be given, it's to Inzaghi and the coaching team, or to De Vrij himself.

If it's because the contract extension has given De Vrij some new found self-confidence, then we should be blaming Marotta for taking so long to extend his contract in the first place.
 

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at least a portion of BePpE MaStErClAsS is right... De Vrij get his motivation back to himself.
 

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it also helps that all of the pieces around him (Bastoni, Darmian, Hakan) are at 100%
 

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Saw an interesting stat that we haven't conceded a goal in Serie A with him on the pitch. We have 6 clean sheets out of 9 games (De Vrij started 5 of those 6), and conceded in only 3 games (Milan, Sassuolo, Bologna). He was on the bench for those three.
 

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Solid game.
 

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Our best center back since start of the season, just ahead of Pavard and Acerbi.
 

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I think he was a bit clumsy on a few occasions in the first half and on the goal.
 

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Absolute monster. He gets a 9/10 for me today. I don't think he did one thing wrong.
 

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Pretty much flawless so far this season. He’s been our best defender by far.
 
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