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how long until people see that the EU is headed for a recession.. all indicators worst since depths of covid crisis..
 

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how long until people see that the EU is headed for a recession.. all indicators worst since depths of covid crisis..
Headed?
We've been there for a year, just don't tell the Germans :lol:
 

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how long until people see that the EU is headed for a recession.. all indicators worst since depths of covid crisis..

went to check out a house for one of my sisters.... yea.... the housing bubble is getting way way worse
 

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alright boys, i m thinking of doing an MBA (top UK one) as I am moving there.

I am gunning for these 4:

LBS
Oxbridge
ICL

any tips?
 

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that's a 3 letter tip :D

its 2 years and 110k, is the idfference that big?
Imperial is also expensive as fuck and relatively new.

Oxford and Cambridge are great, top schools but not MBA top top quality imo. For an MBA you need practical stuff and you have to be in London. Just that simple.

LBS has tthe best connections and best brand name. Graduating there opens all kinds of doors. Cambridge degree is great, but I could have a Drama or Geology degree whjch is meaningless and all it does is open up the door to a top grad school or maybe some job that cares more about prestigious paper than actual knowledge. Most of (east, central and south) Europe was like that. They'd rather pick an Oxford University English Literature graduate than a UCL engineer. Now it's changing a bit.

But LBS is the place to go.

Let's be real. The MBA degree has two uses
- Opens doors in terms of where you graduated
- Networking

There's not that much knowledge you can get honestly that someone with the eagerness to read couldn't. Where the difference lies is with how practical it is and how much it is involved in the real world. This is why most MBA providing schools suck. You need to go to the top ones.

Milano's Bocconi, top school. Better option than Imperial or even Oxford for this kind of stuff.
INSEAD, also, top option.
The two Spanish schools. Top.

Stanford, Harvard, Wharton (U Penn), Sloan (MIT), Booth (U Chicago) and I guess Kellogg (Northwestern), also top schools. The first 5 are better than anything you'll witness in Europe. LBS is the closest to them. Rest of Europe simply follows.

These are the schools where you'll genuinely learn stuff. Unless of course your background is Mathematics, Engineering, Philosophy, Computer Science or Law and you just stumbled upon this MBA thing so everything is new. You'll definitely learn how to tackle the curriculum in a more refined fashion, but the usefulness of what you get there is debatable. Does it matter if from 8/10 ability in financial statements you go to 9/10? For some yes, for most no.

Imperial is new so the quality of students wasn't as great when they started, not sure now. It's obviously one of the 5 schools that matter on the island.
Statistically your chances are better at getting exposed to a great network at LBS than anywhere else in Europe. Anything else is based on luck.

So what you're getting with an MBA is an experience. A new network that makes or breaks careers (and friendships). A solid chance to change careers (which comes wjtb new knowledge). Or a door opener to companies that wouldn't look at your cv because your academic background wasn't standing out, your name is too weird or your interview skills were bad. People will ignore awkwardness if you have a piece of paper from a top academic institution they respect that has already filtered you in from a shitton of other candidates.


So yeah. It's not as if there's a bad choice. If you're debating between playing for a Champions League side, they're all good. But everyone picks Real Madrid. And that's LBS.
 

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Imperial is also expensive as fuck and relatively new.

Oxford and Cambridge are great, top schools but not MBA top top quality imo. For an MBA you need practical stuff and you have to be in London. Just that simple.

LBS has tthe best connections and best brand name. Graduating there opens all kinds of doors. Cambridge degree is great, but I could have a Drama or Geology degree whjch is meaningless and all it does is open up the door to a top grad school or maybe some job that cares more about prestigious paper than actual knowledge. Most of (east, central and south) Europe was like that. They'd rather pick an Oxford University English Literature graduate than a UCL engineer. Now it's changing a bit.

But LBS is the place to go.

Let's be real. The MBA degree has two uses
- Opens doors in terms of where you graduated
- Networking

There's not that much knowledge you can get honestly that someone with the eagerness to read couldn't. Where the difference lies is with how practical it is and how much it is involved in the real world. This is why most MBA providing schools suck. You need to go to the top ones.

Milano's Bocconi, top school. Better option than Imperial or even Oxford for this kind of stuff.
INSEAD, also, top option.
The two Spanish schools. Top.

Stanford, Harvard, Wharton (U Penn), Sloan (MIT), Booth (U Chicago) and I guess Kellogg (Northwestern), also top schools. The first 5 are better than anything you'll witness in Europe. LBS is the closest to them. Rest of Europe simply follows.

These are the schools where you'll genuinely learn stuff. Unless of course your background is Mathematics, Engineering, Philosophy, Computer Science or Law and you just stumbled upon this MBA thing so everything is new. You'll definitely learn how to tackle the curriculum in a more refined fashion, but the usefulness of what you get there is debatable. Does it matter if from 8/10 ability in financial statements you go to 9/10? For some yes, for most no.

Imperial is new so the quality of students wasn't as great when they started, not sure now. It's obviously one of the 5 schools that matter on the island.
Statistically your chances are better at getting exposed to a great network at LBS than anywhere else in Europe. Anything else is based on luck.

So what you're getting with an MBA is an experience. A new network that makes or breaks careers (and friendships). A solid chance to change careers (which comes wjtb new knowledge). Or a door opener to companies that wouldn't look at your cv because your academic background wasn't standing out, your name is too weird or your interview skills were bad. People will ignore awkwardness if you have a piece of paper from a top academic institution they respect that has already filtered you in from a shitton of other candidates.


So yeah. It's not as if there's a bad choice. If you're debating between playing for a Champions League side, they're all good. But everyone picks Real Madrid. And that's LBS.
man I love you, and I will not talk shit to your posts ever again <3


I want to be based in London, so it seems i will narrow it to LBS/ICL. And completely agree with you, if you are not in London, not worth it.

ICL tech prospects seem to be great. I am kind of tired of consulting, just genuinely no idea how much longer I can hang on at this pace. The LBS recruiting lady kept dropping top management consultancies/IB where people have ended up, and i really was like nah.

If LBS is Real Madrid is Imperial like Inter or more of a Bayern?

If you can check around and ask about Imperial, i'd greatly appreciate it, also can I hit ur pms with q's?

Really appreciate you man.

You can check Warwick Business School

not aligned with what I am aiming for currently. Imperial is the floor tbh.
 

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Look, Imperial is a top school. It's definitely the best in London. But when it comes to business, it's the new kid on the block. Its competition is more likely to be Cass (or whatever they call it now, City University's Business School) than LBS.

Their teaching style is also different iirc. LBS is your typical proper MBA school, aligned with the top American schools in terms of how they do stuff (not Stanford though, they're in a different stratosphere now). Imperial while not your standard UK school where the teaching is more like I'll take your money and all I'll offer you is a place within my walls and everything else you do on your own, was considered just an experimental course and a let's see how it goes. But I think it's been 10 years already so they definitely have established themselves.

Both Said and Judge are traditionally greater brand names than ICL Business, but the London location is a very important boost. This is why even going to UCL or QMUL for an MBA would be better than going to Warwick as someone mentioned, which is a decent school but it's in freaking Coventry.

Problem with UK school rankings that you see is how ridiculous the standards are and the weight. They put a lot of importance on faculty member ratios as if it matters. You barely have direct contact with the tutors and it's not like the top US schools where these guys are Nobel laureates. It's a zero factor that's given a lot of weight.

In the UK, for undergrad, there's Oxford, Cambridge and Imperial. Then you have St Andrews in Scotland. And then you could argue for LSE which has its own mindset but it lags behind the top 3.
Attending anything else is a lifestyle choice.

Similarly, for business schools, it's LBS by far and then the Oxford and Cambridge schools follow. I'm not sure where Imperial ranks here, I'd say it probably isn't better than what used to be Cass and is now Bayes or Bailey or whatever they called it. But, it matters that Imperial is considered the top school in London, so anyone who's looking at your cv that doesn't understand the University system would be more impressed than if you've attended another good London business school.
But everyone in the know would tell you LBS is where the shit is at.

I'd go through the curriculum if I were you. I trust that there are Linkedin groups or something with recent Graduates. Ask your questions there.
The more group work you have, the better it is for the MBA course for example.

In Stanford for example there's an MBA course for like 10 years now where you have to build a start up. Very tech oriented, but not restricted. School has a % in your busienss if it's successful there, but they're in the best spot of Cali for these things and have the best resources. The British schools don't have such resources. They just have the halls where you'll sit during lectures and in London you'll have interesting visitors and probably lecturers. As you would at Cambridge and Oxford.

They're all good experiences but what counts is who considers is a great one and what chances you have from each school. You could end up with a more fitting job for you if you finish UCL for example, but chances are lower as you understand.

I'd check teaching styles, curriculum and testimonies of recent grads (they'll all say it was great, so ask the right questions).

Location wise Imperial is at a more expensive area but LBS is also in a very good neighborhood. City on the other hand, good vibes area but not as expensive. And closer to the banks.
 
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If you want to work anywhere in the world, London schools are the choice and as brehme mentioned, it’s LBS. If you want to join UK job market, all top schools hold more or less same weight, doesn’t need to be London. It’s all depending on you, how do you use opportunities, networking. Also what do you want to go after, if it’s investment banking, probably LSE. Btw I personally won’t find good vibes in Shoreditch and it might even more expensive nowadays.
 

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Btw I personally won’t find good vibes in Shoreditch and it might even more expensive nowadays.

I'm trying to be diplomatic here and I lived there for a year :lol:
I gained 7 kilos there.. all I did was work and eat shit from the area's restaurants.

I was more of a Mayfair/Paddington kind of person with weekly excursions to Kensington and Belgravia :D
 

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I'm trying to be diplomatic here and I lived there for a year :lol:
I gained 7 kilos there.. all I did was work and eat shit from the area's restaurants.

I was more of a Mayfair/Paddington kind of person with weekly excursions to Kensington and Belgravia :D
I remember being in a gentlemans club or whatever those exclusive clubs are named with ppl who had links with russia (all cyprus business cards haha), i was 23 at the time fresh off school and had no idea what was going around

It was called savilles i think
 

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I remember being in a gentlemans club or whatever those exclusive clubs are named with ppl who had links with russia (all cyprus business cards haha), i was 23 at the time fresh off school and had no idea what was going around

It was called savilles i think

I second LBS. I spent a year at LSE and worked with a professor at LBS and they were the cream of the crop in London. Funny thing is that our research centered around Italian management in major companies.

I know you are set on London but i also recommend my alma maters UChicago and Northwestern for MBA if you come to the states. Other than Wharton, Harvard and Stanford they are as good as you can get. Esp UChicago for anything quant.
 

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I second LBS. I spent a year at LSE and worked with a professor at LBS and they were the cream of the crop in London. Funny thing is that our research centered around Italian management in major companies.

I know you are set on London but i also recommend my alma maters UChicago and Northwestern for MBA if you come to the states. Other than Wharton, Harvard and Stanford they are as good as you can get. Esp UChicago for anything quant.

MIT is also up there. Read my list above :D
Practically the same one, but mentioned Sloan as the same level as Wharton.
There's also Columbia.

I guess for lifestyle etc Chicago is a great city, better than a NY small town for a foreigner.
 

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MIT is also up there. Read my list above :D
Practically the same one, but mentioned Sloan as the same level as Wharton.
There's also Columbia.

I guess for lifestyle etc Chicago is a great city, better than a NY small town for a foreigner.
Ya MIT is a great shout... columbia and NYU as well. So many great schools in the US
 

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Ya MIT is a great shout... columbia and NYU as well. So many great schools in the US
You guys will make me change my mind.. :lol:

Would I have to stay in the US? I mean post mba. How many of eu companies know about say Booth.
 

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MIT is also up there. Read my list above :D
Practically the same one, but mentioned Sloan as the same level as Wharton.
There's also Columbia.

I guess for lifestyle etc Chicago is a great city, better than a NY small town for a foreigner.
thing is, I am working currently on things that no MBA can be as good to put on CV. Should I postpone it?
 

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@brehme1989 @Adriano@10

alright boys, i m thinking of doing an MBA (top UK one) as I am moving there.

I am gunning for these 4:

LBS
Oxbridge
ICL

any tips?
Late reply but LBS hands down...
Buddy of mine just finished his this summer and is quite happy with it also he managed to get into the field he wanted to get into even before finishing the MBA there just cause of the connections he made...
Was at his wedding this summer a couple of LBS guys were there to and most of them rather high profile and since MBA is all about connections thats where i d go. Although i cant bother spend that much money without learning any thing new which is what will happen if you already have a masters in any related fields.

Bro on the US schools if you get a degree from NYU stern/Booth/columbia and how they re all called the europeans will know and will take you.

On wether or not to postpone imho depends if you re already working in the field that you wanna be working in if so then i would postpone if not go for it.

Also on where to live in london for me nothing beats hackney
 
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