The bullshit thread

[TheNetworkZ]

They removed a part of my nieces school staff and supplies to get them to go teach at a community centre in the city for a "group of people who were brought here to live for free" instead. I'm all for the greater good of humanity but for fuck sakes this infuriates me so much. My niece has no schooling now because of this despite being born and a current citizen here.

If this isn't bullshit I don't know what is.

 

[Armes]

how does removing 'part of the staff and supplies' equal 'no schooling', i don't get it?
and last I heard on the refugee situation, Europe went from 'welcome everyone' to 'ok that's enough now'.

 

[TheNetworkZ]

how does removing 'part of the staff and supplies' equal 'no schooling', i don't get it?
and last I heard on the refugee situation, Europe went from 'welcome everyone' to 'ok that's enough now'.

They pulled the students out of their classes until they evaluate what to do with them (probably send them to another school or something, it's just 1 or 2 grades). Last thing from my brother is that they just don't have school right now.

It's upsetting the refugee situation didn't get national votes over here.

 

[Candreva Crosses]

how does removing 'part of the staff and supplies' equal 'no schooling', i don't get it?
and last I heard on the refugee situation, Europe went from 'welcome everyone' to 'ok that's enough now'.

They even paid Turkey to stop the borders and now Turkey wants more money

 

[Ronin]

An Albanian-Macedonian family accepted me and my family into their own home when we were refugees in 1999. I was 5 years old at that time. We stayed there for like 2 months before returning home once war ended. My older sister even went to school during that time there. They even shared their food with us. I'm thankful we didn't get the same reception some European countries are giving to some refugees at these times.

Europe has failed massively with this crisis. There's no organization or consensus on what to do. Countries are even building walls between each other, neonazism is alive and kicking, Russia is creeping in. Everything is terrible.

 

[bandiera]

I think there's a big difference between blaming refugees for receiving essential resources and blaming the government for not allocating those resources well. blaming the refugees for being given the right to an education is ridiculous. the blame isnt in bringing the refugees here and not organizing a referendum around refugees, come on man. even more so after the refugees have already been accepted. your life is no more important than theirs, with or without some bullshit passport. the blame is in the organization of the effort. I'm sure your niece will return to her classes and things will be fine, meaning it was never a matter of the weight but the direction of the effort.

 

[Pimpin]

An Albanian-Macedonian family accepted me and my family into their own home when we were refugees in 1999. I was 5 years old at that time. We stayed there for like 2 months before returning home once war ended. My older sister even went to school during that time there. They even shared their food with us. I'm thankful we didn't get the same reception some European countries are giving to some refugees at these times.

Europe has failed massively with this crisis. There's no organization or consensus on what to do. Countries are even building walls between each other, neonazism is alive and kicking, Russia is creeping in. Everything is terrible.

oh stop the horse shitting brother, Albanian macedonians spoke the same language, knew you weren't there to blow shit up, and even in school you didnt have to drag them down because you didnt understand what the teacher was speaking, and the albanians that received you, like it or not you were of the same kin.

I'm sorry but people are fucking condemning europe like its some sort of a villain. I hate forced everything, forced apertheid, forced integration, forced migration. You just can't take a million of people and give them benefits and expect that to be it. Fucking nutjobs.

 

[Armes]

I was gong to say the same on Ronin's situation. Same kin.
I agree with pimp to a certain degree on Europe as well, but don't want to get dragged into political waste.

 

[bandiera]

oh stop the horse shitting brother, Albanian macedonians spoke the same language, knew you weren't there to blow shit up, and even in school you didnt have to drag them down because you didnt understand what the teacher was speaking, and the albanians that received you, like it or not you were of the same kin.

I'm sorry but people are fucking condemning europe like its some sort of a villain. I hate forced everything, forced apertheid, forced integration, forced migration. You just can't take a million of people and give them benefits and expect that to be it. Fucking nutjobs.

this is a fucking retarded post.

what's worse: the negatives of forcing refugees in Europe or the negatives on the refugees of staying in syria... that's all there is to it. its clear where the backlash comes from but that doesn't mean its justified at all. bottom line is that the stream of refugees have been laughably managed by European countries.

 

[Pimpin]

this is a fucking retarded post.

what's worse: the negatives of forcing refugees in Europe or the negatives on the refugees of staying in syria... that's all there is to it. its clear where the backlash comes from but that doesn't mean its justified at all. bottom line is that the refugees have been laughably managed by European countries.

but the negatives of forcing europe is not a negative, that is the retardness, expecting like europe owes them something. Just make a model, with km and the nr refugees, and plot the data with countries outside europe. You can't expect them to take them all like it was nothing and pretend that its easy to manage millions of refugees.

 

[bandiera]

but the negatives of forcing europe is not a negative, that is the retardness, expecting like europe owes them something. Just make a model, with km and the nr refugees, and plot the data with countries outside europe. You can't expect them to take them all like it was nothing and pretend that its easy to manage millions of refugees.

why plot the data outside of europe? why are European countries and European resources more important or valuable than other countries, especially when they aren't as scarce? unless I'm not understanding what you mean. basically the solution you're suggesting is for Europe to brush it under their carpet (which is what they're doing with the turkey deal, which will make things even worse for refugees).

when did I talk about any debt europe has? its an argument ive heard people use but its irrelevant.

bottom line is that they are struggling in Syria. bottom line is that refugees want a better life. negatives on Europeans are vastly outweighed by the negatives on the Syrians staying in Syria/other refugees. it isn't easy to manage refugees, doesn't mean it cant be better managed, doesn't mean Europe hasn't done a laughably poor job.

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if this discussion is too political for FIF feel free to make the call or edit this post mods.

 

[Pimpin]

dude, europeans don't owe syrians anything, why not asian negatives outweigh syrian negatives. How you push europe into this is what im asking. Why does europe need to have any negatives because 5 thousand kms away from them there is a war waging.

I'm pro taking refugees but refugees that recognize that their system failed, and refugees that want to work and prosper, not bitch about opportunity and discrimination the first second they step into a new country.

anyway fif admins if this is too much just delete, me and bandiera couldnt keep it in the icardi thread it had to be spilled over

 

[Armes]

bandiera, if europe has done a laughably poor job, i don't know what kind of job you'd call the syrian neighbours in the gulf, like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain etc who have taken none

 

[bandiera]

dude, europeans don't owe syrians anything, why not asian negatives outweigh syrian negatives. How you push europe into this is what im asking. Why does europe need to have any negatives because 5 thousand kms away from them there is a war waging.

I'm pro taking refugees but refugees that recognize that their system failed, and refugees that want to work and prosper, not bitch about opportunity and discrimination the first second they step into a new country.

anyway fif admins if this is too much just delete, me and bandiera couldnt keep it in the icardi thread it had to be spilled over

because the positives for Syrians are greater in europe and negatives for Asian countries are greater than negatives for Europeans. the positives would be greater if gulf and European countries worked together and managed the problem instead of piling them up in shithole camps in Greece with zero support.

and armes, I didn't say some of the gulf countries have done a good job. the fact they haven't done anything doesn't mean europe has done a good job and wasn't capable of doing a lot more. I don't know the details but just for the record, I know that Jordan, Lebanon have had overflows of Syrian refugees. iran has an overflow of afghan refugees (that they've been shitting on for decades).

I'm going to stop here though, don't want any controversy here.

 

[Kakaroto]

I feel for the people of Syria who are fleeing a terrible situation but no one can expect other countries to take refugees upon refugees and part of the population not to have some sort of reaction. I think Europe has taken its fair share of refugees, the US who is one of the main culprits of the crisis has been laughably absent from it so have others who are some of the major players in this conflict as Armes alluded.

Maybe Europe has not been that forthcoming but at least they are doing something. I've seen many American liberals condemning Europe as racist but I don't see anyone mention that their liberal president is the one leading the charge bombing the shit out of the place these people are running from and their presumptive candidate was the top foreign policy official when this crisis started and they did nothing but make it worst by funding radical groups some of which are now under the sphere of ISIS.

It's pretty easy to sit here and condem Europe for not wanting refugees but I bet you the people who really don't want refugees right now are US liberals. This country would probably elect Trump and descend into a hilarious shit show if they saw the rate of refugees coming here that Europe is seeing.

I know I took a more American view point on the discussion but it was something that I wanted to express and took the oppo to do it here.

 

[TheNetworkZ]

I think there's a big difference between blaming refugees for receiving essential resources and blaming the government for not allocating those resources well. blaming the refugees for being given the right to an education is ridiculous. the blame isnt in bringing the refugees here and not organizing a referendum around refugees, come on man. even more so after the refugees have already been accepted. your life is no more important than theirs, with or without some bullshit passport. the blame is in the organization of the effort. I'm sure your niece will return to her classes and things will be fine, meaning it was never a matter of the weight but the direction of the effort.

I'm not blaming them to have a right for education, but not at the expense of a citizen of that country.

I'm a firm believer of putting the citizens and countries rights, opinions, and privileges before any outsiders. I know and understand what is happening in Syria fucking sucks to say the least, but it's hard for me to believe they deserve to be brought here and in ways treated above official citizens. They're even given better pension plans than my retired father.

We also have 1.3 million First Nation peoples who need training and motivation to enter the workforce- they should get priority over government sponsored refugees in my opinion as well.

 

[Black Knight]

So... How about that Trump guy, eh? :lala:

 

[ScottishInterista]

The UK has been laughably poor with their intake considering the % of our population that come from that region.

 

[Ronin]

oh stop the horse shitting brother, Albanian macedonians spoke the same language, knew you weren't there to blow shit up, and even in school you didnt have to drag them down because you didnt understand what the teacher was speaking, and the albanians that received you, like it or not you were of the same kin.

I'm sorry but people are fucking condemning europe like its some sort of a villain. I hate forced everything, forced apertheid, forced integration, forced migration. You just can't take a million of people and give them benefits and expect that to be it. Fucking nutjobs.

That was my point. We were lucky to have that kind of support nearby while nobody wants Syrians. Not Europe, US or any of the Syrian neighbors. All of these parties have failed massively. Europe is at least trying but is doing that while building walls between each other. There needs to be a whole better system at dealing with the refugees, some checkup to ensure they're not financial refugees from other countries posing as Syrians and stuff like that. Countries like Greece and Turkey are being flooded while others countries are staying there with their hands crossed.

I wonder what would your opinion be of jews. Would you tell them to fuck off too? Last time I checked Albanians took in Jews into their homes to protect them even though they weren't their kin.

Everyone should be chiming in, helping with what they can. Instead almost everyone is looking away.

 

[Armes]

I'm not blaming them to have a right for education, but not at the expense of a citizen of that country.

I'm a firm believer of putting the citizens and countries rights, opinions, and privileges before any outsiders. I know and understand what is happening in Syria fucking sucks to say the least, but it's hard for me to believe they deserve to be brought here and in ways treated above official citizens. They're even given better pension plans than my retired father.

We also have 1.3 million First Nation peoples who need training and motivation to enter the workforce- they should get priority over government sponsored refugees in my opinion as well.

i take it you're in canada, like me.
we're not supposed to have an opinion