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That was my point. We were lucky to have that kind of support nearby while nobody wants Syrians. Not Europe, US or any of the Syrian neighbors. All of these parties have failed massively. Europe is at least trying but is doing that while building walls between each other. There needs to be a whole better system at dealing with the refugees, some checkup to ensure they're not financial refugees from other countries posing as Syrians and stuff like that. Countries like Greece and Turkey are being flooded while others countries are staying there with their hands crossed.

I wonder what would your opinion be of jews. Would you tell them to fuck off too? Last time I checked Albanians took in Jews into their homes to protect them even though they weren't their kin.

Everyone should be chiming in, helping with what they can. Instead almost everyone is looking away.

if someone is being prosecuted id probably put their lifes over mine to give them shelter, but these things are a tad different. The middle east is like nothing we have ever seen before, im not saying to close down the borders just stop giving them the wrong incentives.
 

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There is no right or wrong in these situations. People should help out the refugees, but there also comes a point where there is nothing more some states can do without sacrificing big parts of their wealth or way of life. We're not talking about a few thousand people here. It's millions.
 

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There is no right or wrong in these situations. People should help out the refugees, but there also comes a point where there is nothing more some states can do without sacrificing big parts of their wealth or way of life. We're not talking about a few thousand people here. It's millions.

best post so far on this issue.

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bandiera, if europe has done a laughably poor job, i don't know what kind of job you'd call the syrian neighbours in the gulf, like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain etc who have taken none


You're talking about monarchies that established their rule through the blind allegiance doctrine for decades. The same nations that are suffering lately from the diverse sects and the aspiring political reform calls that are being prosecuted for asking questions. I doubt these type of countries going through this crucial phase in their history and existence will accept uncertain loyalty from refugees they equally incited and prolonged their current crisis next to the regime. I'm not down playing the internal problems of European countries like Greece, I'm just pointing out that the Gulf countries, despite their attempts and claims, aren't founded on the concepts of civil, equal, and practical political rights. In fact, their longevity relies on discrimination.


I won't talk about Saudi Arabia & Bahrain because they have internal complications their citizens know about so I'll address Kuwait seeing how it's my country and we've already went through this once with a very negative outcome.

In the late 40s and early 50s, Kuwait (like most Arab countries) accepted great numbers of Palestinian refugees who helped the country after the oil surge in many sectors and into modernization. I recall my late father talking about Arafat and how he and most of the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization) members were working together in the same office of the ministry of public works. At that time, the number of Palestinians exceeded the 400,000 mark (Kuwaitis almost half a million) which wasn't a problem until the public focus turned to the need of empowering Kuwaiti citizens in the key positions in the country instead of our Palestinian brothers. For some reason I always attributed that to the influence the Lebanese and Egyptian media had on the young Kuwaiti journalists who studied in Beirut and Cairo in the 60s and later the 70s and their direct contact with the diverse political life and coverage in those parts of the Middle East but that needs a longer talk on the origin of patriotic sentiment between Arabs. My point is that by that time we acknowledged the flaws of that refugees policy especially when the interests of our citizens were, to some extent, sidelined by the PLO's influence in the public sector and how most of the financial funding to the Palestinian cause was going to the pockets of some its leaders. My father used to say that his Palestinian colleges were the most dedicated in their work but they cared about each other's success ahead of others which aggravated that sentiment in the media and local gatherings. The disaster struck in 1990 during and after the Iraqi invasion when the PLO was divided on how to react to Saddam Hussein and for those who lived in that time the memories weren't good ones especially when some of the refugees showed support for the invading forces (creating barricades, torture, informative duties.. etc) while other opposed and were killed alongside Kuwaitis. Eventually after the invasion ended, Kuwait deported 350.000 Palestinians after the public outcry of treason. I also suspect that our royal family wanted to decrease the numbers of Palestinian to ensure the allegiance concept in the Gulf countries I spoke about earlier while getting rid of what became a problem with the unresolved Arab-Israel conflict.

Still, to this day we have demographic problems like the ignored part of society called the bedoun (literally means without) who are waiting for their stateless situation to be resolved somehow as some politicians fear that despair and the financial temptation of terrorism (they get paid) creep through the younger generations. However, unlike the refugees these people are related to Kuwaitis or think of it as a permanent home. Despite these things, there has been a noticeable increase in the population of Syrians here after the current crisis and I say noticeable because of Kuwait's small and concentrated population in the capital but nothing as the large impact Lebanon is going through with 4 Million citizens & over 1 million refugees in a sensitive sectarian system or what other countries have offered of course.

I remember this ridiculous Irish YouTube 'philosopher' who likes to "keep it real" against the media and the bullshit he says is enough to fill 1000 pages of this thread. He talked about similar incentives and how European countries (and the west in general) provided the third world and Arabs with the tools and support of modernization as if these backward monarchies and kingdoms are protected by Sauron's army and not by the US or European arms deals and treaties. So please, don't use similar shortsighted arguments when you evaluate the refugees as you'll have the bad and good apples... and not necessarily the "blows shit up" type.

Obviously I'm not saying this to you Armes but as a general observation.


One last thing..

DomesticatedPimp, I'm not sure if this stance against "forced" rules is related to the latest anti-political correctness trend or not but I genuinely doubt that people like the radical Trump supporters back in the day would have willingly endorsed the demands and dreams of Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King if it were down to them.
 

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Y&h that's bullshit brother. Here's one of your own 'keeping it real' as that youtube philosopher you mention puts it:

 

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Y&H if you think Europe and USA are filled with radical people, but not Saudi Arabia that still doesn't let women drive, and puts atheists in prison, then you're living in another world. The biggest extremists in Europe and USA are moderates in Saudi Arabia. Europe and USA should do their best to help out with refugees, but some of the gulf states have been nothing short of disgraceful in this matter. I blame the USA for enabling the dictatorship Saudi Arabia has set up that doesn't even have the decency to help out their neighbours because of petty conflicts.

Canada is offering a billion dollars of tax payer dollars to people that have nothing to do us, while gulf states do nothing because of petty conflicts.
 

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Y&h that's bullshit brother. Here's one of your own 'keeping it real' as that youtube philosopher you mention puts it:


Y&H if you think Europe and USA are filled with radical people, but not Saudi Arabia that still doesn't let women drive, and puts atheists in prison, then you're living in another world. The biggest extremists in Europe and USA are moderates in Saudi Arabia. Europe and USA should do their best to help out with refugees, but some of the gulf states have been nothing short of disgraceful in this matter. I blame the USA for enabling the dictatorship Saudi Arabia has set up that doesn't even have the decency to help out their neighbours because of petty conflicts.

Canada is offering a billion dollars of tax payer dollars to people that have nothing to do us, while gulf states do nothing because of petty conflicts.



I'm not sure what exactly is the bullshit Armes since I wrote a long post but if the off track remark about Stefan Molyneux somehow threw you off then you can take it out of the main context since it didn't revolve around the refugees. My argument there was criticizing the one sided logic when analyzing the Middle East similar to the narrative guys like Bill Maher use when advising Arabs and Muslims to "catch up" with civilization as if the atmosphere and conditions of reform and equality are present or that the US and Europe allies within the GCC countries have finally stopped illegal prosecutions, torture, imprisonment, and like I pointed out earlier, the monarchies benefit of social and sectarian discrimination.


That guy is a former military man and his role as a political pundit in the media represents the philosophies and dictatorship doctrine of the GCC council and even exceeds that to silly regional theories. I guess guys like him exist everywhere but he doesn't represent me.


Ninuk, if you have followed my posting style on FIF you know that I don't view things as black and white or as blindly passionate (outside the trollish posts) as you seem to have picked up from my earlier post. There's a reason why I called the Gulf states "backward monarchies" and it's not because of their enlightenment and acceptance. In fact, I gave you two long historical reasons on why my country failed to accommodate refugees and settlers in comparison to Europe who is better suited and established on human rights like bandiera pointed out in his post when comparing West Asian and European countries. I never once criticized Europe for their decision to accept refugees or the mechanics of those policies in my post above or even online. The only time I spoke about Europe's reaction to the refugees was with a German guy named Thomas who started generalizing and promoting the "rapefugees" idiotic hashtag and statements which I dragged Tim Seeley (comic book writer) into after he retweeted something from his account without checking his agenda out.

I hate talking about money and numbers since they will never match the magnitude and suffering of the refugees but seeing how you brought it up I have to say that Kuwait is the biggest donating nation in the Middle East with funds that reach 1 billion US dollars in the last two years aside from the public campaigns, charities, and funding for refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon to ease those countries financial burden. As much as I criticize them, saying all gulf states offer zero support is a misinformed statement.

I don't know why you thought I was favoring between the religious right fanatics since, to me, their arguments and narrative is quite similar even if they were Christians or Muslims. The comment about Trump supporters specified the overt white supremacist vibe some of them give and I doubt people like that 50 years ago would have accepted African American rights just like Muslims countries today refuse to acknowledge minority representation, free speech, gay rights and so forth. That's why you have to force certain things because people will never come around to accept who you are on their own.

I always believed that being extreme in anything will get people nowhere whether they were leftists, atheists... etc.
 

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i might be against a lot of saudis actions, but letting women drive is too dangerous yo
 

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Ok break it off you mugs...

Feef's glorious rule clearly says: Thou shalt not speak about politics on this fine message board

Dammit, thatdude..
Must I do your job?!



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i might be against a lot of saudis actions, but letting women drive is too dangerous yo

The fact that it has been like this since forever and everyone seem fine about it supports what you've been saying. Why do people from other countries overrate this case is beyond me. Like please just stick to your own country ffs, women here are used to it and they're fine about it. Most families have private drivers and women can go anywhere they want while sitting on the back seat taking some selfies and snapchatting around. This is a muslim country thats trying their best to keep it up as religious as possible.

For real though, its incredible how other people talk about internal problems of a country while in reality they know fuck all.
 

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Yeah it might or might not make sense and is appropriate for the culture within. It's just the fact that it's forced is what annoys me the most, whether it's women not driving, worshiping a certain deity etc.
 

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For real though, its incredible how other people talk about internal problems of a country while in reality they know fuck all.

This :thumbsup:



Because of that mentality I stopped tweeting in Arabic and changed my location so that I won't get the Arabic hashtags with the #SunniKillsShia #ShiaKillsSunni #AreWomenHumans crap.

Apparently I now live in Italy and the timeline is filled with #Ariana #Niall #ItalyLovesZayn which is 1000 times better for your mental health. :eek:blivious:
 

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#AreWomenHumans this is a good question, damn arabs hitting us with the important questions
 

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It's a human rights issue which should concern everybody, not just Saudis. If someone wants to drive, he or she should be able to get the license to do so, no matter the gender or the race.
 

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are you albanian to tell me if i can have slaves or not? huh
 

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It's a human rights issue which should concern everybody, not just Saudis. If someone wants to drive, he or she should be able to get the license to do so, no matter the gender or the race.

You can say its a human rights issue when you see Saudis women go out and protest about these stuff. As I said, from what I see, everyone is fine because it has been like this since forever, they are used to it, but NetworkZ came out and says thats also a problem. Like what, pretty sure if there was such poll for women Saudis whether they want to drive or nor I bet it will end up with a result of them not wanting to. Also you guys (not directed at anyone here) overrate women's rights issue, you know fuck all about what happening in Saudi Arabia because of the lies and bullshit media tells you. You guys have the picture of Saudi Arabia that women here just stay at home all day and cover all of their bodies and live in desserts. When in reality they own companies and can work everywhere and go out everywhere they want and they dont have to cover their faces and even their hair in public.

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are you albanian to tell me if i can have slaves or not? huh

You compare slavery to women not driving? :lol:
 
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