Hernanes

[Fapuccino]

Meanwhile on the Lazio forums

"Kovacic and Ranocchia for Hernanes and some cash. Would be ideal in my opinion. "

 

[Wings]

Reja has called-up Hernanes for the game tomorrow against Napoli in the Coppa...

Sky is saying that Lazio wants 20m€ we are ready to give 12-13m€+half of Mbaye.

In reality the media knows shit and I'm less confident by the passing minute.

Then I hope all the bullshit about giving Mbaye is just bullshit. Co-ownership would be good. But not his full card, not yet at least.

 

[Wallace]

Meanwhile on the Lazio forums

"Kovacic and Ranocchia for Hernanes and some cash. Would be ideal in my opinion. "

Sounds like a good plan, two players who aren't in Mazzarri's plan for a player who is.

 

[Sam]

The transfer itself is not what really bothers me, it's obvious that Thohir fully supports Mazzarri and wants to give him what he wants. However, if this is just a panic buy from the management amidst the tension among the coach and fans, then I fear for the future of this club. All I ask for is that the club communicate what direction the club is heading, and how we plan to get there, cause if there is a plan in place, I'm having a hard time seeing it.

What it looks like now is we have ditched this youth project that seemed so promising 18 months ago, in favor of an approach where we develop the squad to suit Mazzarri's playing style, in hopes that our better performances will gradually earn is income through European Competitions, sponsorship, etc. Personally, I would have preferred investing into our youth academy/scouting team and ignoring results, thus focusing our development on youth and potentially selling them for FC Porto like sums (similar to what Roma just did with Marquinhos/Lamela). This way we have some time to focus solely on our finances, considering champions league revenue alone won't make us self-sustaining. This transfer seems to indicate the former, but as long as the club currently have a vision, I don't think it really matters in the long run how we fix ourselves financially.

 

[Ronaldo]

Reja has called-up Hernanes for the game tomorrow against Napoli in the Coppa...

Sky is saying that Lazio wants 20m€ we are ready to give 12-13m€+half of Mbaye.

In reality the media knows shit and I'm less confident by the passing minute.

Maybe he stretches a hamstring..

 

[tott]

If i was thohir.. i would not do this deal..
play this year with kova,taider, icardi,belfodil, try all of them, try next year to find other's player, younger player because hernandes is 29 year old.. he can have 2 to 3 good year playing .. than we can't sell him for a price more than 3-4 milion, maybe .

we must go after Moratta, why not Pastore , and find a player something like Kevin Strotman..

we don't need sort solution like vucinic, hernanes, and this fucking mean mazzari will stay here for a long time, fuck it.

 

[Armes]

Meanwhile on the Lazio forums

"Kovacic and Ranocchia for Hernanes and some cash. Would be ideal in my opinion. "

It's like they're all born out of Lotitto's ass.

 

[Sokrates]

Let's hope Lotito doesn't agred... A 29 year old brazilian isn't the right player for us. We can spend this money on Banega and hold MBaya

 

[wambam]

My lazy half suggests that we should probably agree to disagree right here because our opinions are so different, but I'll respond anyway.

Milan's surge was a big deal precisely because it doesn't happen very often. You don't see teams make up 11 points with half the league to go. And that's just considering league positions/points – right now we're on a downward trend, so the gap only looks like it'll increase.

Am I saying we should just give up completely? No, that would be pretty silly, but it's also silly to give away a long-term investment (Mbaye) and a significant sum of cash when our coach's long-term tenure is uncertain and our management could be sacked within a couple months. And all that for a 29-year-old player.

I wouldn't mind a big outlay on Hernanes if we had a more complete squad, but with the limited funds and not-so-great squad we have, we should be focusing what little money we have (or that Thohir is willing to spend) on players who will start and be here for a while. I don't think Hernanes is a guarantee of that.

Big surges don't always happen, I was just saying that they happen often enough, especially that we're at the halfway point and have a lot of games to play. I brought up Milan because I think it's a comparable situation, play like crap, make useful signings, surge. Ultimately, I was responding to all the "The season's over, why bother" posts, of which there are many.

As for giving up Mbaye, it's fair to say that Hernanes would have no resale value and that we'd be giving up a player that can do pretty well for us in the long term. However, my view is, even if Hernanes is only here for a short while and we don't make money off of him, the benefit he'd give our squad now would make up for it. Higher league finish and a place in Europe=more money, we play well=we can attract our targets (how often do players publicly reject us these days?), and a sign of ambition would help us significantly. In my opinion, making use of that immediate positive impact will, in the long run, do us more good than any player's longevity.
Plus, our youth system isn't going to stop churning out RBs. In 2 years' time or whenever Mbaye would actually have a shot, we'll probably be talking about another player.

So yeah, if Hernanes is the only player we can get/the player that our coach strongly believes will make us play well again, then giving up someone that may or may not be in our starting 11 a few years from now seems a small price to pay.

 

[pencilpal]

Hernanes won't necessarily be an improvement over our current resources tbh, considering he'd likely take even more time away from Kovacic as a CM; remember he's been very poor and inconsistent this season

Even if he makes a positive impact (which is completely possible), the best we could probably do is an EL spot, and there isn't much financial incentive to participate in the Europa League (the total amount of money the winner of EL can receive from UEFA, counting fees given for progressing through each stage and the prize money, is a mere 12 million euros).

Moreover, success in EL doesn't necessarily develop clout in attracting players (look at Bilbao, Sevilla, Lyon, Lazio, Udinese etc); injury concerns, having EL as well as Serie A and CI to focus on, focusing on quality in depth rather than breadth (to be able to compete in European competition), and purchasing players with zero resale value for immediate impact in qualifying for EL is not compensated by the measly financial benefits of participating in the competition.

Domestic success is the priority; we need to focus on Serie A first and foremost.

 

[Fapuccino]

EL is good for our team. Young players that Mazzari doesn't trust can actually shine there, and Mazzari can see their skills. They can also develop within the system.

It's not like Mazzari ever plays starters in EL. (except Cavani)

 

[JJM]

INTER-HERNANES could be done TOMORROW? THE AGENT will be in MILANo tomorrow, BALLET ON THE FIGURES ...

28/01/2014 23:12 by Dario Us article read 4288 times
"Proposal for Inter between 12 and 13 million more around the whole "tag" of Mbaye, but Lotito asking two to three million more. Yet there is great optimism and great confidence by Inter. Mbaye, however, would the league with the Livorno, but in the case will have to find an agreement with Lazio. Moreover, its assessment is to create some problems for the negotiation, in addition to adjustment, as Lazio sources speak of a balance of 15-16 million, Inter sources speak of 10 million. Hernanes's agent will arrive tomorrow in Milano , for this will be an important day. obviously missing signatures, but the deal is well underway. " These updates offered by the expert Gianluca Di Marzio to Sky market on Hernanes.

fucking google translate

-the deal could be made for 12/13m€+whole Mbaye "card" if retarded Lotito doesn't insist on 15/16m€
-missing is the ok from Livorno's pres(I dunno why) and Mbaye's yes
-Hernanes agent will be in Milano tomorrow
-Di Marzio feels it could be done


to much if you ask me!

 

[Big Willy]

Hey Lazio, how about that stinky eagle + Hernanes + Keita + Candreva + 100M for Ranocchia.

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[Shaun]

I do question what this would mean for Kovacic

 

[JJM]

I do question what this would mean for Kovacic

Sky just said we refused to sell Kova to BVB with a straight NO!

so the mgmt are not complete retards :epicwin:



okerface:

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Ilario Di Giovan Battista, director of Radio Radio (Radio Rome), confirms that Inter are closer to Hernanes: "Hours decisive for Inter Hernanes: one of the 3 reinforcements identified for Mazzarri. D'Ambrosio Vucinic are the other two. "

 

[Y&h]

I'm really wondering on Mbaye's thoughts right now. A kid who seemes to join a loan in hopes of returning one day is thrown around like spare change.

 

[DARi0]

I really enjoy the skills of Hernanes, he is THE Prophet after all. Would have loved to see him in INTER jersey, but 2-3 years earlier. Now I'm not sure if it's the wisest decision, but he could surely help (> Kuzmanovic LOL). Question is, do we really need him or invest that money wisely?

I would rather secure Banega with that money + keeping Mbaye... especially that we have Kovacic, Alvarez and Botta !!!

Ok, we all know Mazzarri is stubborn, let's try and see how Hernanes would do for us kay: he is THE Coach after all... but this evaluation is just ridiculous... 12m+Mbaye = 18m way too much for almost a 29 year old player... brazilian [we all know how brazilians tend to fuck up their carees being past 28 unlike argentine or italians]

I just know we surely need a proven midfielder, especially that Cambiasso is out. Casemiro is not a solution for Mazzarri now, while he probably doesn't want to wait for Banega to adapt [I would]. It's his job and career at risk, so I expect we sign Hernanes.... blivious:

 

[Pimpin]

But mASSarri wants him, not Cerci. He wanted him in Napoli too.

 

[Shaun]

Sky just said we refused to sell Kova to BVB with a straight NO!

so the mgmt are not complete retards :epicwin:



okerface:

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Ilario Di Giovan Battista, director of Radio Radio (Radio Rome), confirms that Inter are closer to Hernanes: "Hours decisive for Inter Hernanes: one of the 3 reinforcements identified for Mazzarri. D'Ambrosio Vucinic are the other two. "

Yes, with us getting Hernanes and Vucinic I'm completely confident in Kova getting decent game time

Hernanes and Alvarez = Kova having a perminent bench role. Likewise Botta

 

[Pimpin]

if someone would take kovacics playing time it would be banega