Inter - Juventus (18 Oct 15) [0-0]

[enjoy]

Apart from Jovetic there is 0 creativity in this side. Even he is not as creative as I expected.

Are you crazy, fouls vs. Jovetic is more than 10 are you sure he is not creative?

 

[Ed.]

If our best performance in a few years is zero shots on target then we should all kill ourselves. I'll start.

we had 2 shots on target.. lel.

 

[enjoy]

PERISIC: “My start with Inter? I haven’t played in my position, now I hope to always play out wide where I can do my best”.

Mancini: “A good draw. With this 4-2-3-1…”

After the draw at the San Siro, Roberto Mancini also spoke to Sky to analyse the 0-0. “We started with the 4-2-3-1 like in the second half in Genova. The match was difficult against a solid Juventus. The defence was solid, I’m satisfied. And don’t forget that at the end we were tired because we only had many of the players from Thursday. We struggled more in the second half than in the first half. With Juve a draw can happen, they have a very strong squad and I think that in a couple of months they’ll be back in for the Scudetto”.

We did you plan to cause problems for Juve?

“We planned on causing trouble with Perisic and Brozovic on the wings”.

Jovetic gives a lot to the team, but stuttered in the second half. Does Inter depend to much on his game?

“All squads depend on great players and Jovetic is one of them. He didn’t do as well in the second half because he trained little during the week, but today he played his best game”.

Icardi must do better?

“Of course, but he knows this. Attackers are like this, there are moments where they do not score and then they also get blocked. But with him there will always be goals, the time will come. We must work on the offensive phase, but this form can give him a hand. I also want Biabiany to recover well as his role is on the wing, while Brozovic has adapted to that position”.

A balanced league?

Every game is full of problems, we must remain tough for all of them”.

Mancini: “My players gave their all”

Roberto Mancini stopped to speak to Mediaset Premium after the 0-0 draw against Juventus.

“It was a hard and difficult game for both team, there were very few chances. We both played to win, the defenders did well. What did we miss? You always have something when it comes to Inter. We had chances just like Juventus did. We committed some mistakes but the players gave their all and some of them returned on Friday. Distractions happen. Maybe I don’t understand a lot of football..”

The subject then changed to Jovetic and his growth.

“Tonight was his best game since he joined Inter, even though he was only able to train for the last three days. Then the moment when Mauro scores will come as well and it will be a nice thing. If we had won tonight we would have increased our awareness, but a draw against Juve is ok. We need to improve some things but this is normal. We will see where we can end up, but I believe we can be in the top.”

Lastly about the rumored Etihad deal.

“Me as the channel through? We have a great sponsor, Pirelli. Etihad is a great brand but these things are not for me to get involved in. Who is the favorite to win the league? Fiorentina are in the lead and played an excellent game today, I think that Napoli, Roma and also Juventus are in the race.”

Source: Mediaset Premium

 

[Glass box]

Come on, the boys did well. At least in the first half. There were 5 yellow cards for Juventus because they weren't able to stop Inter players. Plus a penalty not given. I hope Inter can beat Palermo away so we capitalize from the Fiorentina-Roma game.

 

[KevinB]

If we go to win this, we can consider counter attack goals from fast PACE Cuadrado and if we open space for Pogba that will be to risk, for that reason, Mancini dont want to not risk that... the match is 0:0 one post for us and Rube and one half for us and Rube, the referee show good referring...

Mancini dont want to risk that point that is all! We are in better position and we are at TOP 3 after 8 games, why you all want from totally new team... If we play like 1st half we have great future, but we need CREATIVE PLAYER and kids fans know that, hope January is time for that kind of player at our midfield!

It's always something. Fact is that Cuadrado is a good player until he arrives in the box, then he is headless chicken. And so is Mancio.
Pogba had free space regardless so what's your point?

The fact remains that we only have one creative player (Jovetic), one winger (Perisic) who is forced to play as AM ( :chan: ) and a striker who literally sucks in doing anything else aside from finishing (occasionally he does have a good cross).

That's it. That's our attack plan. Or, magically we depend on Guarin to have one good moment in thousands of bad ones. Mancio's starting formation was good, the Bro move was excellent as he played good and Medel/Melo did their jobs. But the second half he always had to sub in Kondogbia for Melo, not Guarin, but Kondogbia.
Why? Because as shit as Kondogbia could play, he at least could hold the ball in the midfield, something the mighty Guarin can't do.

What happened? Mancio brought on Guaro and what did we see? Massive long balls to Jube defense. How does that exactly help? I would say if we had Biabiany up front (or anyone else more speedy than Icardi) or a targetman, this would work. But it didn't and never will work unless we change.

Mancio needs to get his attacking formation together. We didn't concede because of luck. If you have players like Jovetic, Ljajic and Perisic at your disposal, why does he rely on Palacio that much then?

In a simple world, I see Icardi being delivered crosses by Perisic, Ljajic or Jovetic.

 

[Ed.]

We could have done much.. much better in this match if we can utilise Ljajic better..

 

[Shaun]

I wonder if Icardi has been told by Mancini to be more of a reference point this season? Because in the latter part of last season he moved around far more than he has this season. I hope he goes back to that. Because as people have said he is actually quite a good crosser of the ball, and personally I think we'll be more dangerous if Icardi mixes up his game a bit more.

 

[thatdude]

dont get it, how is this relevant to what shaun was saying that juve would have won if they had a better striker than zaza? or what the discussion was about in the first place, that we dont have the best defense in the league and that we cant score goals?

I wasn't really replying to whether or not our defense was strong, just Shaun's reasoning of if this or that happened then X would happen. The post was more an ongoing gripe about Shaun's selective reasoning when it comes to Inter related matters.

Why does my argument not hold water because Allegri chose differently? People claim all the time on here that if Mancini had done this or that we would have won etc etc. How is what I said any different?

Anyway, Dybala hasn't really been playing as a striker. If Dybala had played Juve would have had Morata further up the pitch. With playing Zaza up the middle Morata had to play in a position he is less accustomed to as well. I agree that Zaza's workrate was exceptional and may have been a factor in them keeping us scoreless, but even in the first half it was Zaza's lack of ability on the ball which stopped several good chances for them. I'm not saying Dybala would have scored if he played, but he's been creating 2-3 chances per game for them and Morata is better as a CF than Zaza.

Also, Dybala and Zaza both have two open play goals this season. Also, Dybala set up both of Zaza's goals.

Anyway, my argument wasn't about Dybala. It was about Zaza and how poor technically he is. With a good CF in his position I think they would have won. That CF hypothetically being Mandzukic, or Morata, or Tevez or Icardi, or anyone else of good quality.

I wasn't aware Dybala is on the same amount of open play goals now so forgive me for that. I'm certainly not arguing that Zaza is a superior player to Dybala. However, I think that a good coach had a decision to make today and he decided he was better off with Zaza. That's probably because he's had success in a big game this year playing Morata off of a CF (the City game). In fact Allegri even kept Morata at LW during that game when he brought Dybala in for Mandzukic, and wouldn't you know Morata scored the winner.

My point is that Allegri had essentially a full strength forward line to choose from today to break down Inter and win this game (Mandzukic admittedly coming back from injury). He opted for Morata in support of Zaza because he felt it would give him the best chance of winning. We defended it, and whether or not Dybala or another CF would have made a difference we will never know. But it's not like he didn't have the option to play him. Therefore saying if he would have played Dybala we would have conceded isn't a fair statement.

 

[Internaziolific]

murillo was class tonight

 

[Ed.]

murillo was class tonight

He nearly committed suicide 2x though.

 

[interista_blood]

Second half was not very good though the first half was class

 

[Devious]

We planned on causing trouble with Perisic and Brozovic on the wings”.

I stopped reading at causing troubles by putting brozovic on the wing, enough internet for me today.

 

[Jane The Virgin]

First half was was good.

Second half not that much. I seriously thought he will take Santon out, put perisic in his place and put biabia on barzagli's side (or whatever u spell his stupid name). Take Brozo out and put Kdog. Maybe after the 70/75 take even Icardi out a put that hot head mess Manaj.

Murillo and Miranda are solid, especially Miranda that mofo is a genius beast.

Juan is playing out of position but imo he is better than Telles.

Melo was ok, the early yellow stoped him for being him.
Medel was good in the first half, but he has to stop passing the ball behind ALL THE TIME.
Bro could have scored the goal of his career and maybe go all unicorn on us and tattoo the date on his arm.

Jovetic is class. He has everything, just lacks a bit of energy but thats ok due to his injury.

Perisic also class, im glad we have great player with amazing individual skills.

Icardi was Icardi. One thing should be clear, for what he stands for, he did his job. You cant have striker like Icardi in your team and play the way we played. There was one cross the whole game, and Icardi crossed that ball

All in all, its a somewhat ok result, i mean, a win was a must, but its not the end of the world...

Wont comment on the subs, its not worth it. Im sure due to his stupid bangs haircut, Mancio misses most of the game.

 

[Javier'sSon]

I stopped reading at causing troubles by putting brozovic on the wing, enough internet for me today.

Brozovic did in fact cause issues on the wing.

 

[Jane The Virgin]

So we've scored 8 goals this season. The same amount of goals as 19th placed Carpi lead by the great Marco Borriello.

we just need another 7:0 win, and we are back in the game.

 

[Ed.]

Brozovic did in fact cause issues on the wing.

not so much. he was pretty quite. a few glimpse here and there.

 

[Shaun]

I wasn't really replying to whether or not our defense was strong, just Shaun's reasoning of if this or that happened then X would happen. The post was more an ongoing gripe about Shaun's selective reasoning when it comes to Inter related matters.



I wasn't aware Dybala is on the same amount of open play goals now so forgive me for that. I'm certainly not arguing that Zaza is a superior player to Dybala. However, I think that a good coach had a decision to make today and he decided he was better off with Zaza. That's probably because he's had success in a big game this year playing Morata off of a CF (the City game). In fact Allegri even kept Morata at LW during that game when he brought Dybala in for Mandzukic, and wouldn't you know Morata scored the winner.

My point is that Allegri had essentially a full strength forward line to choose from today to break down Inter and win this game (Mandzukic admittedly coming back from injury). He opted for Morata in support of Zaza because he felt it would give him the best chance of winning. We defended it, and whether or not Dybala or another CF would have made a difference we will never know. But it's not like he didn't have the option to play him. Therefore saying if he would have played Dybala we would have conceded isn't a fair statement.

Just because Allegri has had good success with Juventus it doesn't make him beyond reproach. He has often made weird tactical choices. His love of Matri comes to mind.

Anyway, I understand your logic and where you're coming from, and I get that Zaza was chosen for tactical reasons. Personally I think Allegri made the wrong choice, and that Zaza isn't good enough to be starting big games (you've probably seen me write about how little I think of him before the season started). The fact that Allegri had the option to play Dybala or Perreyra, or whoever else instead of Zaza is irrelevant to my opinion. I think with/if a good CF gets the balls that Zaza did today that they probably score a couple goals and Juventus wins. My opinion on the matter isn't dependent of whether Allegri has alternatives to Zaza or not.

As for City game when Dybala came on and played CF I think that was because he was fresh and Morata had run himself into the ground. Every other time they've been on the park together Dybala has played behind Morata in a roaming role. I get the feeling that Allegri tends to like more physical strikers and that is probably the reason for the lack of playing time for Dybala despite him performing quite well.


As for my selective reasoning. Again I see you point. It clearly seems like I'm highlighting our lack of goals scored, and trying to pick holes in our defense despite the stats showing otherwise. However, I wasn't trying to say that we have a shit defense. I think we've been good defensively. We're clearly a solid team. I just don't think our defense is quite as good as that stat suggests.

 

[Javier'sSon]

not so much. he was pretty quite. a few glimpse here and there.

Considering we had 5 balls played into their box compared to their 24 in ours! I'd say his few glimpses were quite handy.

 

[Ed.]

Considering we had 5 balls played into their box compared to their 24 in ours! I'd say his few glimpses were quite handy.

the fact you stated made your statement even worse for him. He has all the space in front of him but he didn't occupy it. Evra was having a coffee break all game long.

 

[Javier'sSon]

^

Huh? blivious:

And no not all game long, only in the 2nd half where Mancini instructed him to sit back and not vent forward.