Marco Branca

[Adriano@10]

Well i agree with you that letting go of motta was a big reason for our loosing streak. But considering it was January and our restricted budget i just doubt that we could have gotten anybody of similar quality as motta.

On guaro well maybe i m biased but imho he was well worth those 11 mio, i know he has not really shown it jet but i think he ll be a huge asset in the near future.

 

[.h.]

I know of Guarin's quality, but I'm not yet convinced. He has a long way to go to justify the valuation on him - its comparable to what we paid for Handanovic, or Palacio, and his contribution to date certainly does not rival either of theirs.

Time will tell.

 

[Adriano@10]

I know of Guarin's quality, but I'm not yet convinced. He has a long way to go to justify the valuation on him - its comparable to what we paid for Handanovic, or Palacio, and his contribution to date certainly does not rival either of theirs.

Time will tell.

Totally agree with you on guaro but as i said i m kind of biased towards him.

Anyway my point was that branca just like certain players gets way too much hate on this board. I mean since he s here which is 2003 i think we ve had 3 bad transfer windows where everything was fucked(2008/2010/2011). Other then that we ve always done fairly good with him and he bought in couple of players that are inter legends by now. Still people on this board don t hesitate a second to say fuck branca whenever they can and this kind of bothers me seeing as he did more for our beloved club then every member of this forum combined. Also there is a tendency to contribute every good transfer we ve done in the past to orali and all the bad ones are brancas fault which imho is also not right. Don t get me wrong your allowed to criticize but that fuck you branca attitude is simply wrong since imho he s done more good then bad up till now.

Also that second part of my post is not directed at you browha since your criticism is mostly fair and more then a simple fuck you.
But there are way to many "fans" on this board who jump the gun way too early and make them selfs simply look stupid with they re hate towards certain people in our club.

 

[.h.]

dont forget

Branca is being directed again, rather than directing. I've ALWAYS said that Branca works BEST when told what to do. Given specific players, or instructions, he'll do a fucking good job. As witnessed, in my opinion, by all the years Oriali actually identified the targets (and so on). It's no coincidence that as soon as Oriali leaves, Branca goes to SHIT, and then for the first time since Mourinho we have a manager who we trust to pick targets, we're fucking good again.


Branca is the WORST FUCKING DIRECTOR in the world. He's a VERY VERY VERY GOOD servant. Classy when told what to do, pathetically useless when given a proper management role.


Simple as that. As long as Moratti keeps faith in the coach to pick the good targets, and Branca is just told 'Hey, monkey, go sign this guy', we'll do well. As soon as it is 'hey, monkey, pick someone for us to sign' we end up spending 5m on Jonathan, 14m on Alvarez, sign Zarate, all that shit.


Branca is GOOD at transfers when explicitly told what to do.

 

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[qb4ever_2k]

dont forget

Branca is being directed again, rather than directing. I've ALWAYS said that Branca works BEST when told what to do. Given specific players, or instructions, he'll do a fucking good job. As witnessed, in my opinion, by all the years Oriali actually identified the targets (and so on). It's no coincidence that as soon as Oriali leaves, Branca goes to SHIT, and then for the first time since Mourinho we have a manager who we trust to pick targets, we're fucking good again.


Branca is the WORST FUCKING DIRECTOR in the world. He's a VERY VERY VERY GOOD servant. Classy when told what to do, pathetically useless when given a proper management role.


Simple as that. As long as Moratti keeps faith in the coach to pick the good targets, and Branca is just told 'Hey, monkey, go sign this guy', we'll do well. As soon as it is 'hey, monkey, pick someone for us to sign' we end up spending 5m on Jonathan, 14m on Alvarez, sign Zarate, all that shit.


Branca is GOOD at transfers when explicitly told what to do.

I always wonder who told Branca to buy Quaresma, Mancini and Muntari.
And who instructed him to buy Mudingayi, Handanovic and Palacio...

 

[I4E]

Branca is the WORST FUCKING DIRECTOR in the world....

Big call...

Branca is GOOD at transfers when explicitly told what to do.

And your 100% certain of this because ???

 

[rockball]

14m on Alvarez? Do we really need to get into that again? :wallbang:

 

[Jacquez]

dont forget

Branca is being directed again, rather than directing. I've ALWAYS said that Branca works BEST when told what to do. Given specific players, or instructions, he'll do a fucking good job. As witnessed, in my opinion, by all the years Oriali actually identified the targets (and so on). It's no coincidence that as soon as Oriali leaves, Branca goes to SHIT, and then for the first time since Mourinho we have a manager who we trust to pick targets, we're fucking good again.

Interesting claims that the majority of people on this forum seem to agree with. How have you reached to this conclusion? I think you are oversimplifying Branca's role as well as that of Oriali. Are there any sources, evidence in shape of quotes or similar, that indicate that Oriali was the genius, and Branca the simple henchman, the money transferrer? - other than your somewhat dubious observations..

Every club has had bad transfer windows, and some clubs have had great transfer windows. The thing that defines these transfer windows, and whether they are good or bad, is so complicated that you can't possibly blame a single person for the outcome - for the most part, as there are some exceptions.

But tell me; who directed Branca when we bought Juan Jesus?, or Guarin?, or loaned Poli?..

The point is that it's wrong to blame Marco Branca for the failure of certain players in this club, as you do not have a single clue as to what his terms were when these were purchased: You are simply speculating, and presenting these speculations as facts. And that is a horrible thing to do.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Yeah, I don't buy those conclusions that easily. No evidence, no nothing to back up that theory of Branca's role.

We know nothing about the behind-the-scenes-stuff which have happened with our transfer mercatos. Who has done what, who has ordered or asked what and who have executed what.

 

[snake]

Yeah, I don't buy those conclusions that easily. No evidence, no nothing to back up that theory of Branca's role.

We know nothing about the behind-the-scenes-stuff which have happened with our transfer mercatos. Who has done what, who has ordered or asked what and who have executed what.

Browha must have read it in a financial report. Only way I can think he knows everything in this world.

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[.h.]

Yeah, I don't buy those conclusions that easily. No evidence, no nothing to back up that theory of Branca's role.

We know nothing about the behind-the-scenes-stuff which have happened with our transfer mercatos. Who has done what, who has ordered or asked what and who have executed what.

Like I said, do you people not find the correlation fascinating? With Mourinho, players are clearly identified, and you try to buy them. If they are unavailable, they work together to identify replacements (e.g. Lucio for Carvalho). Gasperini, Benitez, Ranieri => ignore entirely the coaches wishes, for the most part we sign shitty players. Stramaccioni comes in, says 'I'd like Palacio, Handanovic, etc', we go out there, sign THEM, and they do well for us.

There's a clear fucking correlation there, too strong to be ignored.

Interesting claims that the majority of people on this forum seem to agree with. How have you reached to this conclusion? I think you are oversimplifying Branca's role as well as that of Oriali. Are there any sources, evidence in shape of quotes or similar, that indicate that Oriali was the genius, and Branca the simple henchman, the money transferrer? - other than your somewhat dubious observations..

Every club has had bad transfer windows, and some clubs have had great transfer windows. The thing that defines these transfer windows, and whether they are good or bad, is so complicated that you can't possibly blame a single person for the outcome - for the most part, as there are some exceptions.

But tell me; who directed Branca when we bought Juan Jesus?, or Guarin?, or loaned Poli?..

The point is that it's wrong to blame Marco Branca for the failure of certain players in this club, as you do not have a single clue as to what his terms were when these were purchased: You are simply speculating, and presenting these speculations as facts. And that is a horrible thing to do.

One or two good signings do not justify his entire time. Moratti did not back the transfer wishes of Benitez (obviously, hence the whole sacking), Leonardo it's harder to say, I can believe he got some backing, but we were chasing Nagatomo for at least a week or two before we signed him (for example), as was the case with Ranocchia.

I'm just observing correlation. We observe Moratti does (publicly) not back a coach's transfer wishes => we sign shitty players (For the most part). When he DOES back a coach's transfer wishes, as long as those targets the coach identifies, or works with the transfer director to identify => we sign good players (For the most part).

So this season, after failing to work with Ranieri, Gasperini, and Benitez rather publicly, we are yet again at the stage where we are bringing in good players on the request of the coach. And guess what, the tactics are working!

Like I said, with Leonardo its a bit more up for debate. I can believe they did work together on, for example, Pazzini, but its also clear Ranocchia and Nagatomo were long identified before hand.


With Ranieri 'Hi, I want to keep Motta, and sign a new striker' => sell Motta, sign Palombo

Gasperini 'Hi, I'd like to get Palacio' => No Palacio, signs fucking forwank and zarate

14m on Alvarez? Do we really need to get into that again? :wallbang:

Whatever, 13m includgint agent fees and tax and a 10% clause. Same fucking difference.

I always wonder who told Branca to buy Quaresma, Mancini and Muntari.
And who instructed him to buy Mudingayi, Handanovic and Palacio...

Eh, its obvious and public (from Mourinho himself) that he wanted Quaresma Mancini and Muntari. Just because Branca does a good job when told to sign a player does NOT imply that the players will be good. Yes, he's capable of being told to sign bad players too


And Mudingayi, Handanovic, Palacio were all Stramaccioni. Also quite publicly stated.

 

[monster09]

dont forget

Branca is being directed again, rather than directing. I've ALWAYS said that Branca works BEST when told what to do. Given specific players, or instructions, he'll do a fucking good job. .

Any source to back it up? Just curious as IMO the post is full of assumptions.

 

[.h.]

Any source to back it up? Just curious as IMO the post is full of assumptions.

Not directly per say. There were some bitchy comments from Branca directed at Oriali after he left, and Oriali was like 'lolz, branca has some ridiculous delusion of grandeur, he thinks he runs everything by himself. he obviously doesnt remember who it was dealing with the ibra transfers etc' or something like that. Dont remember it off hand. Muntari also revealed a lot of contempt for Branca when he left, too.



Either way, what do you need to be backed up? Its public - from stram himself - that he's identifying players and bringing them in. When everyone criticized him this summer over the Cesar/Handanovic thing, and then a few days later he came out and was like 'Yeah, I'm glad we've signed Handanovic, I asked for him'

And then we publicly didnt work with Benitez, Gasperini, or Ranieri either...


How is it anything but blindlingly obvious, I have no idea.

 

[monster09]

Not directly per say. There were some bitchy comments from Branca directed at Oriali after he left, and Oriali was like 'lolz, branca has some ridiculous delusion of grandeur, he thinks he runs everything by himself. he obviously doesnt remember who it was dealing with the ibra transfers etc' or something like that. Dont remember it off hand. Muntari also revealed a lot of contempt for Branca when he left, too.



Either way, what do you need to be backed up? Its public - from stram himself - that he's identifying players and bringing them in. When everyone criticized him this summer over the Cesar/Handanovic thing, and then a few days later he came out and was like 'Yeah, I'm glad we've signed Handanovic, I asked for him'

And then we publicly didnt work with Benitez, Gasperini, or Ranieri either...


How is it anything but blindlingly obvious, I have no idea.

Not sure about obvious thing, I was not attacking your post either. Just was curious to know how you came to that conclusion.

When you signed Handanovic, I'm very much even if Strama didn't ask for him he would have said "Yeah well done, but he is not the player I wanted". So Strama words maybe just morale boosting?

Anyways this season Inter have done great signings, as the failed transfers are blamed on Branca, I think he should take the credit for good ones too.

 

[.h.]

Not sure about obvious thing, I was not attacking your post either. Just was curious to know how you came to that conclusion.

When you signed Handanovic, I'm very much even if Strama didn't ask for him he would have said "Yeah well done, but he is not the player I wanted". So Strama words maybe just morale boosting?

Anyways this season Inter have done great signings, as the failed transfers are blamed on Branca, I think he should take the credit for good ones too.

dont worry, i know you arent attacking my posts.


To be honest, well its hard to say. All I know is that he's said after efvery transfer that that is exactly the player he wanted us to sign. And the chronology of it fits into the timeline too, Cesar was told in May he would no longer be wanted at Inter, thats in good time for Strama to be making the transfer plans... It also seems somewhat.. unusual... that if it wasn't Strama, Branca + Moratti would do that to a player they've backed so much previously. He'll never be who he was in the treble again, but his form last year was better than his form in the previous year IIRC.


Anyway.


No, I do give Branca credit for this window, I said as much previously. But at the same time, I still accept his limitations. When he's presented clear targets, he does a very good job of getting who we want


Its a classical hierarchical management problem - you climb the ladder until you are no longer capable, so the last promotion you get is the one that gets you fired. Branca has been slightly demoted again - now instead of being completely in charge of transfers, he works with the manager to get them. Which is for the best. How can you build a tactical plan when you dont know who will be at your disposal (For example).



Branca works best as an underling, but not given free reign.

 

[rockball]

To be honest, well its hard to say. All I know is that he's said after efvery transfer that that is exactly the player he wanted us to sign.

That is something that has to be said. Of course our management also said that we wanted Lucas but he was out of our reach; and that's fair.

But you can't expect them to sign a player and then say that they didn't want to sign that player. Was it Marotta who said it or who? That's stupid.

 

[.h.]

That is something that has to be said. Of course our management also said that we wanted Lucas but he was out of our reach; and that's fair.

But you can't expect them to sign a player and then say that they didn't want to sign that player. Was it Marotta who said it or who? That's stupid.

Not really. No one came out in huge support of people like Zarate, Forlan when they signed (for example). Gasperini certainly didnt say 'yes this is exactly who I wanted!' Nor did Ranieri after Palombo, for example... Benitez certainly never said that after we only signed biabany.

 

[Fitzy]

If we truly are hiring coaches and not supporting them (which I've read on both sides of the Branca argument), we really are a bunch of stupid cunts.

 

[Adriano@10]

Again the assumption seems to be that whenever branca made a good deal he was instructed to do so and when he does a bad one it was himselfe making the decision. IMHO thats just not fair, also with the signings in the treble year mou wanted carvalho and branca got him Lucio which turned out to be a fucking great deal. And if you blame him for getting zarate instead of the requested palacio then you also have to give him credit for getting Lucio.
Anyway i rest my case that there is not enough evidence for alot of assumptions made on this board to blame Branca, if you want to blame sombody for the bad transferes blame the whole fucking mercato team and not just one man. Coz if we re a proper run club then there is no transfer that is only down to one man in the club but it should always be a team who decides on wether or not to get a player. Of course every now and then a player gets proposed by an individual but i m certain that after that the decision to buy the player gets made by more then just one person.