Mateo Kovačić

[Dylan]

There seems to be a bit of self loathing and general overrating of players who aren't ours on this forum.

Thiago is a rare talent, I've said it on this forum many times. I think Barca were silly for letting him go because I thought he had more natural talent than Xavi. However, Kovacic is also a rare talent. He's not as polished as Thiago, but I don't see any reason he can't reach a similar level if he continues to improve.

It's easier to overrate players you don't watch week-in week-out. You tend to only remember their highlights. I've had friends thinking Cambiasso was some sort of playmaker because they liked his passing.

 

[JJandMateo]

It's easier to overrate players you don't watch week-in week-out. You tend to only remember their highlights. I've had friends thinking Cambiasso was some sort of playmaker because they liked his passing.

And that, my gentlemen, is the reason why most of our transfers have been unsuccessful

 

[Vincenzi]

world class players make all players around them look better than they are (look at decline of ronaldo with portugal, messi with argentina) if you choose not to recognize that fact, thats your choice.

I generally agree with what you've been saying here, but I feel like someone needs to point out that sometimes it's the team that makes a specific player look good (especially with strikers). You'll find many situations going both ways

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And that, my gentlemen, is the reason why most of our transfers have been unsuccessful

Are you implying that our scouts watched a couple YouTube highlights and decided to make our purchases off of that? We might have had a shitty transfer team at times, but with the exception of quaresma, the problem hasn't ever been that we bought players based on their highlights only...

If anything, it's us forum frequenters that would've made bad decisions based on YouTube highlights. Medel has been one of our best transfers this season in my opinion, but I can remember many people that didn't want to buy him because he was unspectacular or too mediocre.

I'm not saying we have a good market team, but I think the problems mostly lie elsewhere

 

[JJandMateo]

Are you implying that our scouts watched a couple YouTube highlights and decided to make our purchases off of that? We might have had a shitty transfer team at times, but with the exception of quaresma, the problem hasn't ever been that we bought players based on their highlights only...

If anything, it's us forum frequenters that would've made bad decisions based on YouTube highlights. Medel has been one of our best transfers this season in my opinion, but I can remember many people that didn't want to buy him because he was unspectacular or too mediocre.

I'm not saying we have a good market team, but I think the problems mostly lie elsewhere

No I'm implying that we buy a lot players based on their highlights and statistics without caring about players flaws and would he fit in the system team plays (example: Belfodil, Pereira, Taider, Schelotto, Kuzmanović, Gargano, Vidic, overweight M'Vila and Hernanes who is not bad, but we could get younger and better for that money)

 

[n4l]

There seems to be a bit of self loathing and general overrating of players who aren't ours on this forum.

Thiago is a rare talent, I've said it on this forum many times. I think Barca were silly for letting him go because I thought he had more natural talent than Xavi. However, Kovacic is also a rare talent. He's not as polished as Thiago, but I don't see any reason he can't reach a similar level if he continues to improve.

There's no overrating thiago. When you break it down, he is simply a much, much better player in all facets of the game. His passing technique is better, better range of passes, better vision and execution on those passes, better shot, better off-the-ball, better dribbler, CAN PLAY IN TIGHT SPACES/UNDER PRESSURE (pass/move/dribble), TACTICALLY SUPERIOR since he has demonstrated he can interpret and execute in different roles. It is not even a close contest.

I said it before. Kova has great talent (if he can be moulded). Very good technical dribbler. But the kid has a LONG, LONG, LONG way to go in terms of developing the other facets of his game to be considered a really good player, particularly tactically. If kova can be as good as thiago in 2 years time, that'd be a remarkable achievement.

I mean, look at Isco (22) or Alaba (22)....FAR, FAR better players than kova. You look at kova today @ 20 and those players today and the difference is a lot. Kova has a long way to go and I wish FiF would realize that.

But ce la vie. Carry on. Kova is the hottest thing since slice bread....(not directed at you directly "thatdude")

 

[wera]

Nobody said kova could not be better. But until he isnt, thiago is the better player. Quite logical and obvious.

 

[Devious]

He needs to play in the wings, LCM or RCM.. much better than AM if Mancini isnt planning on getting him backward again.

 

[JJandMateo]

wrong thread mod :troll:

 

[Ziyad]

He needs to come from the back..Getting the ball with his back to the opposition isn't beneficial to his game.Disappeared today.

 

[Kakaroto]

It's not news. He ha failed pretty much every game has played AM for Inter or even Croatia.

 

[Wallace]

This really shows Mazzarri knows how to use Kovacic properly in contrast to many other coaches who have used him. Having said that though, even Mazzarri went on a learning curve before getting the hang of how to utilize Kovacic properly.

Hopefully Mancini will learn, and hopefully it won't take him as long as Mazzarri.

 

[Devious]

I think Milan was shutting him down quite well, they had 2-3 players always closing on him, I think that`s why he wasnt at his best today. Also the new advanced position still affected his performance.

 

[Fapuccino]

better dribbler

thiago better dribbler than kova? welcome to my ignore list n4l.

 

[Kakaroto]

Mancini said he plays 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 but he doesn't have wingers so some players had to sacrifice aka Kova, Palacio etc.

He also said that Kovacic could be a Silva type winger aka not a traditional winger.

 

[wera]

Kova never had a good derby game.

 

[n4l]

thiago better dribbler than kova? welcome to my ignore list n4l.

Great. I hope you do put me on your ignore list. And yes, thiago is a better dribbler. Because he can execute all types of dribbling (tactical, possession, change of tempo, 1v1). Overall, thiago is much better at ball/body manipulation and control and interprets defenders better to be more effective.

To put it terms you can understand, thiago can dribble like messi and ronaldo

I have a strong feeling you haven't watched thiago's game.....

 

[Doffy]

I dont understand why people want to put him back in central midfield? he isnt cut out for it. his workrate is to low and his overal defending is pretty bad. did you guys saw how horrendous we did with mazza? we were constantly leaking goals. even freaking kuzkuz was doing consistently better. he might have better vision then kuzkuz but his passing is worse.

mancio wants him on the wing or as attacking midfield and i agree 100%.

15 million for some undeveloped kid from the croation league was freaking ridiculous in hindsight.

 

[Fapuccino]

15 million for some undeveloped kid from the croation league was freaking ridiculous in hindsight.

yeah we were duped. if only we had barca to offer us 20m for him last summer.

 

[Doffy]

yeah we were duped. if only we had barca to offer us 20m for him last summer.

yea, probably by the same spanish paper that is linking us with messi. lol

 

[Fapuccino]

yea, probably by the same spanish paper that is linking us with messi. lol

sky? you know he was just discussing barcelona's bid like 3 days ago?