Mateo Kovačić

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Lol that is bullshit on so many levels
 

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Mancini said he plays 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 but he doesn't have wingers so some players had to sacrifice aka Kova, Palacio etc.

He also said that Kovacic could be a Silva type winger aka not a traditional winger.
The last two matches for Kova aren't encouraging at all. He is always dispossessed easily. He isn't focused. What is his problem?

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I think Milan was shutting him down quite well, they had 2-3 players always closing on him, I think that`s why he wasnt at his best today. Also the new advanced position still affected his performance.
His previous match wasn't any better either.
 

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kovacic will regain his form soon, even better. it could be psychological factor or tactical approach. mancini is only 5 days here. he'll work something for kova. he clearly likes the kid, even compares him to silva to some degree. i dont think mancini as a stubborn person to keep forcing kovacic to play on the left wing or AM. mancini is quite experienced with many big star players.the guy knows what he is doing.

and i agree with devious. last night kova had no free space due to tight marking from milan players. and milan played defensively. even fucking messi or ronaldo would find it difficult under good and tight defense. in 2 years kovacic will be much better player.
 

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He received a hard knock yesterday and will be rested against Dnipro so he will be better prepared against Roma.

Good
 

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I dont understand why people want to put him back in central midfield? he isnt cut out for it. his workrate is to low and his overal defending is pretty bad. did you guys saw how horrendous we did with mazza? we were constantly leaking goals. even freaking kuzkuz was doing consistently better. he might have better vision then kuzkuz but his passing is worse.

mancio wants him on the wing or as attacking midfield and i agree 100%.

15 million for some undeveloped kid from the croation league was freaking ridiculous in hindsight.

You're right, why didn't we wait a few more years so that he was slightly more developed and cost €30m more.
 

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You're right, why didn't we wait a few more years so that he was slightly more developed and cost €30m more.


lol? 'slightly more developed'. that is probably the only correct statement in your whole sentence. the 20 mil transferbid from barca is the best example, especially when we paid 15 almost 3 years ago.
 

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lol? 'slightly more developed'. that is probably the only correct statement in your whole sentence. the 20 mil transferbid from barca is the best example, especially when we paid 15 almost 3 years ago.

The point is we are in a situation where we can't afford to pay for top talents who are already developed. We can either buy young talents before they've proven themselves. Or we can buy squad players who will never be top class, e.g. Alvarez or Kuzmanovic.

At Dinamo Zagreb, Kovacic was known to be a tremendous talent and a starter with more Champions League experience than maybe half our squad has ever seen. I don't know how much more development you could've realistically expected without the price exploding. And let's face it, if Kovacic had not been on shitty teams for the last two seasons coached by losers like Mazzarri and thus possibly developed more than he has now, his value would be much higher than €20m.
 

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How is he going cut to it on the wings after such a pathetic display in the derby?
 

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Apparently Anceloti wants him...

Imagine he goes there for ...



heart
broken


for several months


ill be, heart broken for several months.
 

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The point is we are in a situation where we can't afford to pay for top talents who are already developed. We can either buy young talents before they've proven themselves. Or we can buy squad players who will never be top class, e.g. Alvarez or Kuzmanovic.

At Dinamo Zagreb, Kovacic was known to be a tremendous talent and a starter with more Champions League experience than maybe half our squad has ever seen. I don't know how much more development you could've realistically expected without the price exploding. And let's face it, if Kovacic had not been on shitty teams for the last two seasons coached by losers like Mazzarri and thus possibly developed more than he has now, his value would be much higher than €20m.

Disagree. How much others are willing to pay for Kova right now is independent from his value back then - and for example, PSG paid 60 million for David Luiz, does that make 40 million for him a good deal? eg. would 20 million for a 17 year old messi be a good deal (for the time)?

I've had my doubts lately about Kovacic. Either he has regressed under Mazzarri or he was never as good as he was made out to be. I think it's a combination of the two - it's never that black and white. On one hand being shunted into a inler and hamsik role is terrible for his development and instinct, on the other he has a fuckload of things he needs to work on in his game.

still a LONG way to go for mateo to be considered world class, but it is without a doubt possible. He was never a zidane or platini - he will never be "one of the greatest midfielders of all time" and that kind of pressure never helps.

That's why on second thought I can see how the treq role could be very good for him. It's not suited to his current skillset because while it integrates the stuff he knows, it also requires the qualities he currently doesn't possess - but that's the point. It lets him do what he's good at, gives him creative freedom, AND forces him to work on the shortcomings of his game.

edit; and I also disagree re the players we can sign. Young players usually go for big money, so there's too much risk. Taking everything into consideration, in order of decreasing priority, bosmans (eg. cigarini), out of contract players the next year (eg. gaitan), out of form/transferlisted talents (eg. jojo, soldado, osvaldo), and lastly, young players (eg. depay).
 

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kova cant defend, icardi cant pass, cou is not meant for serie a, messi is a midget, pirlo can't defend, ronaldo only scores tap ins...

maybe we're just a shit team that has no idea to how accommodate their players tactically
 

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Disagree. How much others are willing to pay for Kova right now is independent from his value back then - and for example, PSG paid 60 million for David Luiz, does that make 40 million for him a good deal? eg. would 20 million for a 17 year old messi be a good deal (for the time)?

I've had my doubts lately about Kovacic. Either he has regressed under Mazzarri or he was never as good as he was made out to be. I think it's a combination of the two - it's never that black and white. On one hand being shunted into a inler and hamsik role is terrible for his development and instinct, on the other he has a fuckload of things he needs to work on in his game.

still a LONG way to go for mateo to be considered world class, but it is without a doubt possible. He was never a zidane or platini - he will never be "one of the greatest midfielders of all time" and that kind of pressure never helps.

That's why on second thought I can see how the treq role could be very good for him. It's not suited to his current skillset because while it integrates the stuff he knows, it also requires the qualities he currently doesn't possess - but that's the point. It lets him do what he's good at, gives him creative freedom, AND forces him to work on the shortcomings of his game.

I take your point re. players' values to a certain extent, but I think in Kovacic's specific case we made the purchase at the right time considering Kovacic's experience and his level of talent. Plus I don't think €15m is an outrageous fee for someone of his profile. Paying €30m to avoid paying €50m later would be ridiculous, but that's not what happened.

I'm divided on the #10 role. I'm not really sure what Mancini wants from him there. If he's looking for a traditional #10, I don't think Kovacic will be helped because it doesn't take advantage of his ability to link defence to attack – he's too high up the pitch and uninvolved. But if Kovacic can increase the effectiveness of his passing while retaining his ability to bring the ball forward from deeper positions, it could go well.

But as of now I'm not really convinced crowding the centre of the pitch with three other MFs and keeping Kovacic high up the pitch is the best way to go about things.

edit; and I also disagree re the players we can sign. Young players usually go for big money, so there's too much risk. Taking everything into consideration, in order of decreasing priority, bosmans (eg. cigarini), out of contract players the next year (eg. gaitan), out of form/transferlisted talents (eg. jojo, soldado, osvaldo), and lastly, young players (eg. depay).

Don't think you're disagreeing with me too much here. It would be bad strategy to just rely on a bunch of young talents. The first two categories you mention rarely bring up anyone top-class (hence good squad players) (and if they did I doubt we would be in contention to sign them), while out-of-form talents are for these intents and purposes similar to young players – they are clearly talented but yet to fulfill their potential (see M'Vila). As such, they are risks.
 

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I saw Gaitan mentioned <3 asado clan vol2
 

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He sinks or swims as a CM. That's the only position that should even be considered for him. If he can't hack it, well..... he wouldn't be the first young and promising player to fizzle at Inter.
 

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Real Madrid after him...even Mancio talked about it in the press con. saying that it's normal that big clubs are interested in him however he is looking to make him grow in the next years which makes him irreplaceable I guess.

Unless Real offers a shit load of cash that Erick won't refuse
 

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I dont see any reason to sell him.

We wont get 50-60M on him, and besides, losing him mean a huge hit in our reputation. When you sell your big hope for the future, you say "i dont have a future". Kovacic can be one of the greatest players in our history, hes something special and seems like pepole forget hes only 20 years old.

Kovacic, Icardi and JJ are our future players that we must keep unless we get huge offer for them, which wont happen.
 

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All I want is to Mancini to play him centrally not on the wing like against Milan, with at least two players in front of him. I think Kovačić have what it takes to play both CM or AM, but he can't play on the wings or too close to the goal. I would also like him to roam freely, lately with Mazzarri he was also too tied to his position, mostly as LCM, and I think he really struggles getting involved in our game when that happens.
 
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