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well, it's about ego. if USA weren't so bad the last few years, he would've never came back to play for them, but since this is the last time for him to win something + bragging rights against people that played before him and didn't win


sure, I can respect his professionalism, but I see both sides of the story
 

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some of those WNBA chicks are amazing.... also I dont watch the WNBA or NBA but saw one of the NBA guys went out with 2 of the dopest WNBA rookies. That guy is the goat. I dont need to know anything more about him

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well, it's about ego. if USA weren't so bad the last few years, he would've never came back to play for them, but since this is the last time for him to win something + bragging rights against people that played before him and didn't win


sure, I can respect his professionalism, but I see both sides of the story

MJ : 2 Olympic gold medals
LeBron: 2 Olympic gold medals + 1 bronze

😤 #caseclosed
 

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He also has a Bronze as the "main guy" in 2006 🇬🇷


2004 was just part of that whole US bad planning which fell against some of the best generations Europe has seen for some in a while from these nations between 1999 and 2005 (Lithuania, Serbia&Montenegro, Argentina, Russia, Greece, Italy, Spain, Germany, France) of and he was still just a kid with a limited role.

There's a reason why he's nicknamed LeBronze :D Would have been without one of those Gold medals if they didn't call Kobe up for 2008, because Spain had their number that year without Kobes.
 

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That’s what I meant, he has reason to have next gold 😄
 

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Serbia game showed how overrated most of these guys are. You can argue that the South Sudan game was with little motivation, but still, a proper US team from the "good ol' days" wouldn't demonstrate themselves in such way. I know they're old now and everything, but refs turning blind eyes in pretty much all traveling (aka cheating) violations and all those soft calls. It's annoying to watch global basketball tournaments, this has always been the case since the 2004 debacle, they always want to push the US team to the finals and even get them to win gold because they can sell it better than anyone, and failure doesn't sell well.

US team should be getting bronze at best and I'm not even sure they could pull that off without help vs Germany.

Steph Curry and Kevin Durant are the only players that matter on this team. Just like Kobe was in 2008 and like Melo (and Durant) was in 2012 and 2016 was the most collective effort I can recall (Melo, Durant, Irving, Thompson etc; yet they still needed help to beat Spain). If you can't shoot and take over a game, you're not a superstar at global level. Sorry Lebron.


Can honestly say that US team didn't really deserve 2012 and 2020. And they won't deserve 2024 either. But it i$ what it i$...
 
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Steph Curry just killed Lebron's GOAT consideration :lol:
 

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Steph Curry just killed Lebron's GOAT consideration :lol:
For you, perhaps. Unfortunately not for the rest of the world.

I wish your view was more popular.
 

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For you, perhaps. Unfortunately not for the rest of the world.

I wish your view was more popular.
Trust me, the world doesn't really rate Lebron as a top 3 or top 5 player. Only the youth does, because they're parroting US media, considering them experts and all that. And I'm referring to the clown media, the Nick Wrights, that NFL dude that blabs about Lebron all the time and the previous version of Stephen A Smith who was holding Lebron's dick for 10 years calling him the best. And the media that lives off the NBA, because they cannot really deviate much from the narrative.

European basketball fans (ie the people who follow the local basketball), as opposed to European based NBA fans, don't rate Lebron as high as their American counterparts do.

Lebron has an astonishing longevity, but he'll always be the guy that sucks at fundamentals (which is key here, even our 8 years old know how to play basketball more properly than the guy), the guy that always travels, the crybaby that whines at refs just because someone got the ball from him, the guy who had to team up with MVP and all star calibre players in order to win, and still managed to choke most of those attempts, the guy who dominated the easiest conference in the history of the NBA and the guy who led the USA to a bronze medal back in 2006 when he was allegedly becoming the new face of the NBA as opposed to Kobe and Duncan (discarded globally due to the 2004 failure), only to be bailed out in 2008 by none other than Kobe. And now he's gotten bailed out by Steph Curry, only after Durant and Melo bailed him out in 2012...
That's what the world thinks. No one considers the NBA a real competition in the last 15 years anyway apart from a few diehards, like the WWE crowd. Similar concept anyway... Oh, and let's not ignore that Lebron's teams got 4 championships, one in the covid bubble and another in a lockout season, asterisks all over. (Duncan also has a lockout title in 99)


And due to Lebron's longevity, he managed to play in the era of Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant as well as the era of Kevin Durant and Steph Curry. He hasn't really succeeded in overcoming any of them. And that's what the world sees, they don't see IG, Facebook, or US media sections. I'm in Paris and the NBA store is in my neighborhood here and what they've been promoting at the entrance were the jerseys of Wemby (obviously), Giannis (for some reason he's beloved here), Curry and Jordan's US jersey. There used to be a Lebron Lakers jersey when they opened iirc but they put up Wembyamba's there. And Lebron's jersey has been on sale for weeks apparently.

I'm only interested in their retro shit anyway.
I watched the game with someone who's clueless on the NBA but has heard of a few names and thought Lebron was the man, he asked me if everyone else on the team is on board with them as leader etc, before the game. I said, it's Curry and Durant that are the leaders, but I'm pretty sure Lebron is respected by all. Then, after being speechless in the final moments, he tells me "this Curry guy is the best player in the NBA, right?" :D

As I said many times, Lebron doesn't have iconic moments when it matters. He has that monster block in 2016, but it was Kyrie who got the win. Sure, Paxson and Kerr for MJ, but there's so many more and it's not like he wasn't involved in those ones. Everyone gets it's a team game.
Ray Allen has the most iconic shot in Lebron's career and that came after a Lebron miss, a Bosh rebound & assist. If you don't have these and all you have to show is some winners vs Washington where he was clearly traveling, you ain't got much. And the world doesn't care about stats. That's for internal consumption and even the people who used to love the NBA stopped caring because of how easy it is it stat pad.

Anyway, rant over. You'll get that feeling once it's all said and done. The Kobephiles have resurfaced and are laughing off the comparisons and I don't even think Kobe is a top 10 player of all time. Marginal consideration, that's it. And that's where I rate Lebron as well, but if I had to pick several players and had to officiate a game as it should, he's not getting picked any time soon.

P.S: The American younger generation is already dismissing the poor guy if this is anything to go about :D


Btw last couple of years content on exposing Lebron media hype is growing at a lovely rate. And lots of it is high quality!
 
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and just like that FIBA decided that Lebron James was tournament MVP :lol: :lol: :lol:

This is a joke, I'm gonna start complaining about robbing Serbia again :D
 

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The world absolutely rates Lebron as top 2 players of all time.
 

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Trust me, the world doesn't really rate Lebron as a top 3 or top 5 player. Only the youth does, because they're parroting US media, considering them experts and all that. And I'm referring to the clown media, the Nick Wrights, that NFL dude that blabs about Lebron all the time and the previous version of Stephen A Smith who was holding Lebron's dick for 10 years calling him the best. And the media that lives off the NBA, because they cannot really deviate much from the narrative.

European basketball fans (ie the people who follow the local basketball), as opposed to European based NBA fans, don't rate Lebron as high as their American counterparts do.

Lebron has an astonishing longevity, but he'll always be the guy that sucks at fundamentals (which is key here, even our 8 years old know how to play basketball more properly than the guy), the guy that always travels, the crybaby that whines at refs just because someone got the ball from him, the guy who had to team up with MVP and all star calibre players in order to win, and still managed to choke most of those attempts, the guy who dominated the easiest conference in the history of the NBA and the guy who led the USA to a bronze medal back in 2006 when he was allegedly becoming the new face of the NBA as opposed to Kobe and Duncan (discarded globally due to the 2004 failure), only to be bailed out in 2008 by none other than Kobe. And now he's gotten bailed out by Steph Curry, only after Durant and Melo bailed him out in 2012...
That's what the world thinks. No one considers the NBA a real competition in the last 15 years anyway apart from a few diehards, like the WWE crowd. Similar concept anyway... Oh, and let's not ignore that Lebron's teams got 4 championships, one in the covid bubble and another in a lockout season, asterisks all over. (Duncan also has a lockout title in 99)


And due to Lebron's longevity, he managed to play in the era of Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant as well as the era of Kevin Durant and Steph Curry. He hasn't really succeeded in overcoming any of them. And that's what the world sees, they don't see IG, Facebook, or US media sections. I'm in Paris and the NBA store is in my neighborhood here and what they've been promoting at the entrance were the jerseys of Wemby (obviously), Giannis (for some reason he's beloved here), Curry and Jordan's US jersey. There used to be a Lebron Lakers jersey when they opened iirc but they put up Wembyamba's there. And Lebron's jersey has been on sale for weeks apparently.

I'm only interested in their retro shit anyway.
I watched the game with someone who's clueless on the NBA but has heard of a few names and thought Lebron was the man, he asked me if everyone else on the team is on board with them as leader etc, before the game. I said, it's Curry and Durant that are the leaders, but I'm pretty sure Lebron is respected by all. Then, after being speechless in the final moments, he tells me "this Curry guy is the best player in the NBA, right?" :D

As I said many times, Lebron doesn't have iconic moments when it matters. He has that monster block in 2016, but it was Kyrie who got the win. Sure, Paxson and Kerr for MJ, but there's so many more and it's not like he wasn't involved in those ones. Everyone gets it's a team game.
Ray Allen has the most iconic shot in Lebron's career and that came after a Lebron miss, a Bosh rebound & assist. If you don't have these and all you have to show is some winners vs Washington where he was clearly traveling, you ain't got much. And the world doesn't care about stats. That's for internal consumption and even the people who used to love the NBA stopped caring because of how easy it is it stat pad.

Anyway, rant over. You'll get that feeling once it's all said and done. The Kobephiles have resurfaced and are laughing off the comparisons and I don't even think Kobe is a top 10 player of all time. Marginal consideration, that's it. And that's where I rate Lebron as well, but if I had to pick several players and had to officiate a game as it should, he's not getting picked any time soon.

P.S: The American younger generation is already dismissing the poor guy if this is anything to go about :D


Btw last couple of years content on exposing Lebron media hype is growing at a lovely rate. And lots of it is high quality!
I mean i commend your hating but i dont think you live on this planet if you think theres a mythical country where curry> lebron lol
 

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I mean i commend your hating but i dont think you live on this planet if you think theres a mythical country where curry> lebron lol
I didn't say Curry is rated higher than Lebron in any country, did I?

I said Lebron is not considered the GOAT practically anywhere. He's not a name most people who aren't into sports would know, whereas they know of MJ and Kobe was more popular than anyone else during his prime and after retirement (and I'm pretty sure there's people who still aren't aware he has passed but will be able to recognize him or his name over Lebron).
Sure, you will find people who will consider him a top 5 player or something better even, but most don't really know much about basketball and would still offer an opinion. They'll tell you he's top 3 but won't be able to tell you the other 7 guys to fill up the top 10. The ones who can name all (their) top 10 guys, most likely won't rate Lebron as high as your average present day NBA fan.

Lebron as one of the "GOAT" is like a pop thing. A certain generation that missed out on the Jordan era hypes him, the generation that started following/watching the NBA during the early 2010s and some older people who only follow the mainstream sports media. Of course this includes people all over the world, but the NBA hype has rather diminished since the mid 2000s. People confuse NBA fandom with basketball fandom. There's probably more NCAA fans this day than NBA fans and the NCAA has turned to trash.

NCAA March Madness has better tv ratings than the NBA Playoffs in the last 10 years for example. March Madness is something like 10m on average whereas NBA Playoffs is under 5m...

There's people who watch NCAA and don't watch the NBA anymore. There's also those who watch the Euroleague and don't care about the NBA. It's harder to get the numbers for that due to being over several countries and it obviously won't hit NBA numbers, ever, but it's a significant chunk of European basketball fans that watch that and don't care about the NBA anymore. And if you ask them, they are very likely to have watched more NBA stuff as kids or when younger than European.

You think more people wouldn't be looking over if they rated Lebron, witnessing "the greatest of all time"? Last time Lebron reached the final the Finals viewership was at its lowest and people had nothing else to do at the time! Something like 7.5m average viewers, whereas 2019 had 14m and 2021 had 9m. Michael Jordan's last Finals game had 38m viewers...

The NBA League Pass is a nice excuse, but they're giving that for free to season ticket holders, so they can't be both attending and viewing from their screens, and sure, watching en masse in a pub setting is more common these days but it doesn't hide such a huge gap in domestic interest. They're also giving it to some video game consumers that buy a more expensive version, who I don't think are even using it that much. Imagine the international one, with such a time zone inconvenience. The NBA doesn't really want to disclose the # of League Pass subscribers, but I heard that it's significantly less than the similar NFL package deal which doesn't exceed 2.5 million subscribers and odds are it's barely over 1.5 million subscribers. I was subscribed 2-3 seasons, I hardly watched more than 4 games a year. So I really need to see the data of how many people are genuinely using that service for live sessions and how many for recorded sessions, and how many are mostly idle like I was.

There's not much you can say to convince someone that the NBA is more popular than ever now, as much as they're pushing for it because there's more international players. A whole country doesn't suddenly care about the NBA because they have a representative. A few get interested, a few less remain interested. That's it.

Since it is a player-centric league, the hype around Lebron overseas started dying in 2010 and it sort of died in 2014, only for a dead cat bounce in 2016, but he's never been a person a granny at a supermarket could name from a picture. They'd probably think it's Jordan, Kobe or Shaq. That's the names most people know. Lebron only makes the standard news sports section during playoffs if at all. Most people under 40 would know some memes revolving him but couldn't name him, unless it's in a country that cares about basketball. Which aren't that many around the world. And if Lebron was this special player (I honestly cannot think of any skill he possesses that's sublime and will be missed when he retires; whereas with Durant or Curry you'll miss a sniper and a guy who changed the game with his range), wouldn't more people tune in to watch him play during his prime or now that he's closer to the end to get a last whim of his legacy?
 

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Who people think the GOAT is doesn't really matter. It's just for people to have something to talk about.

I think nowadays it keeps alternating between Kobe/Jordan/Lebron. It used to be Bird/Magic/Kareem. Who cares really.

Anyway, people should hype up their favourite players of all time. Mine are Duncan, Curry, AI, Vince Carter, McGrady, Jordan, Jokić, Miller.
 

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Anyway, people should hype up their favourite players of all time. Mine are Duncan, Curry, AI, Vince Carter, McGrady, Jordan, Jokić, Miller.

No Doncic? 😲
 
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