New Stadium

[Gal]

The best part is the mountains in the background

 

[Forzanerazzurri]

Also we have to remember a club stadium is build to stand decades, it’s not like a WC or Olympic stadium build to be entirely or partially tear down construction and that is not made to be lasting structures. The outer special design is often just poorly built and made to look interesting for a short period. A club stadium also need to be practical for maintenance, for future improvements and upgrades and to hold other events in. This will always mean they be a bit more rational and boring in appearance.

Also modern stadiums is more how these work, latest you can move the entire field around, even lift it up/down, move it outside the stadium on rails. so it’s not destroyed and used under concert as it’s build on a frame on rails.

Tell me more...

 

[crzdcolombian]

would be better to just make one with Milan and double the budget

 

[Gal]

Tell me more...

Those are ugly as H and would really not slot in well in the cultural landscape of Italy and no football club outside England can afford them. And except the Mercedes Benz arena none of them are particularly more enchanting to look at.

Also there nothing modern about Allianz Arena anymore it’s a rather dated design.

What makes Allegiant and AT&T special and modern is not how those look but how those function, as I already described you can move the entire field outside on rails. As this is by far more what defines a modern stadium being versatile, there is a similar one in Tokyo those aren’t exactly architectural marvels from their appearances and it’s not really what makes them modern and well expensive.

Tottenham stadium also look like a toilet bowl from above It’s not really all that enchanting from the side it look like a shopping mall build 10-15 years ago.

The Mercedez benz is so much way out what is possible to build in Europe as I wrote the only one that is special, sure the roof is fun and screen all round but it’s gimmicky and all for show and expensive as hell.

Also Allegiant stadium corrected for inflation is $2.15b, Mercedes $1.79b, AT&T $2b, Tottenham $1.5b, US bank $1.34b

Get a reality grip an Italian club can’t build a stadium costing even half of the cheapest one.

This just doesn’t allow much freedom in design, because of those budgetary restrictions you can have very basic design where focus are on functionality and maintenance. Most football stadiums in europe are very, very basic design for a reason, also building restrictions are far higher then those of US, you can not build without approval and typically have to follow strict regulations that can be on size, noise and even appearances.

The reality is moving out and not having a shared stadium is it needs to be much cheaper construction, those why we went from Cathedral to this, it’s a budget stadium and unless we accept a sponsor to jump
In a build one it’s not going to realistically going to be a marvel.

 

[Mikele]

How convinient will be that there are some non football activity in stadium, because it is not in Milano?

 

[Gal]

How convinient will be that there are some non football activity in stadium, because it is not in Milano?

It’s normal to get out of the center for larger concerts in many Western, northern and southern Europe major cities. There isn’t much space for big concert venues in many cities because of the protected historical centre. In Rozzano/Assago there alread the Midolanum forum in close quarters, a venue used for such as well as a Theater, so locals are already used to go there. Additionally there is shopping malls as well and metro stations nearby.

 

[Mikele]

It’s normal to get out of the center for larger concerts in many Western, northern and southern Europe major cities. There isn’t much space for big concert venues in many cities because of the protected historical centre. In Rozzano/Assago there alread the Midolanum forum in close quarters, a venue used for such as well as a Theater, so locals are already used to go there. Additionally there is shopping malls as well and metro stations nearby.

Thanx for explanation.

 

[Forzanerazzurri]

Those are ugly as H and would really not slot in well in the cultural landscape of Italy and no football club outside England can afford them. And except the Mercedes Benz arena none of them are particularly more enchanting to look at.

Also there nothing modern about Allianz Arena anymore it’s a rather dated design.

What makes Allegiant and AT&T special and modern is not how those look but how those function, as I already described you can move the entire field outside on rails. As this is by far more what defines a modern stadium being versatile, there is a similar one in Tokyo those aren’t exactly architectural marvels from their appearances and it’s not really what makes them modern and well expensive.

Tottenham stadium also look like a toilet bowl from above It’s not really all that enchanting from the side it look like a shopping mall build 10-15 years ago.

The Mercedez benz is so much way out what is possible to build in Europe as I wrote the only one that is special, sure the roof is fun and screen all round but it’s gimmicky and all for show and expensive as hell.

Also Allegiant stadium corrected for inflation is $2.15b, Mercedes $1.79b, AT&T $2b, Tottenham $1.5b, US bank $1.34b

Get a reality grip an Italian club can’t build a stadium costing even half of the cheapest one.

This just doesn’t allow much freedom in design, because of those budgetary restrictions you can have very basic design where focus are on functionality and maintenance. Most football stadiums in europe are very, very basic design for a reason, also building restrictions are far higher then those of US, you can not build without approval and typically have to follow strict regulations that can be on size, noise and even appearances.

The reality is moving out and not having a shared stadium is it needs to be much cheaper construction, those why we went from Cathedral to this, it’s a budget stadium and unless we accept a sponsor to jump
In a build one it’s not going to realistically going to be a marvel.

I'm beginning to think you don't really like stadiums.

 

[Gal]

I'm beginning to think you don't really like stadiums.

Sure I do, but perhaps I just have another aesthetical preference then that you posted, because those are literally some of the worst architectural stadium designs I seen, two of them are designed because of functionality so they where never trying to offer much.

Only the Mercedes Benz stadium can be said to offer some architectural quality, no surprise as it’s Mercedes.

The others are mainly eyesore, that belongs nowhere Italy. The one draw is at least so inconspicuous that you can ignore it, the other stick up like a sore thumb and cost nearly or the excess of €2b way over a possible budget for any Italian club.

The price the Milano clubs operated at was about a €1.2b for the entire project that included way more then just the stadium when it was a joint venture. What I hear is these should cost less then €1b! A piece for whole project, your just not getting much for that sum, as you can’t build it with slave labour. This is also why this is far less impressive then Cathedral design probably because it was way over any possible budget.

You get what you pay for, with this budget you get a 20-25 year old design because that’s what you can get on such a budget. You probably need around €1.8-2b at least to get a really magical design just for the stadium alone. Again money Inter dos not have, it’s just completely unrealistic. But as another said rather this then none at all.

Also this stadium resembles that of the Olympics in Japan

 

[Forzanerazzurri]

Sure I do, but perhaps I just have another aesthetical preference then that you posted, because those are literally some of the worst architectural stadium designs I seen, two of them are designed because of functionality so they where never trying to offer much.

Only the Mercedes Benz stadium can be said to offer some architectural quality, no surprise as it’s Mercedes.

The others are mainly eyesore, that belongs nowhere Italy. The one draw is at least so inconspicuous that you can ignore it, the other stick up like a sore thumb and cost nearly or the excess of €2b way over a possible budget for any Italian club.

The price the Milano clubs operated at was about a €1.2b for the entire project that included way more then just the stadium when it was a joint venture. What I hear is these should cost less then €1b! A piece for whole project, your just not getting much for that sum, as you can’t build it with slave labour. This is also why this is far less impressive then Cathedral design probably because it was way over any possible budget.

You get what you pay for, with this budget you get a 20-25 year old design because that’s what you can get on such a budget. You probably need around €1.8-2b at least to get a really magical design just for the stadium alone. Again money Inter dos not have, it’s just completely unrealistic. But as another said rather this then none at all.

Also this stadium resembles that of the Olympics in Japan

Yeah I got it. Your opinion sucked enough the first time you went over it.

 

[Fitzy]

As usual

International break -> stadium discussion.

 

[Gal]

Yeah I got it. Your opinion sucked enough the first time you went over it.

We need to be just somewhat realistic in our expectations. It’s not like the Allianz stadium in Torino is anything to rave about either.

And we are broke as hell and with the massive inflation that got large construction like this to skyrocket it make it impossible to get anything modern.

We have to accept what ever we can afford and it’s not going to be a marvel, it’s going to be largely forgettable in appearance.

 

[Jnr]

We all want a stellar new stadium, but there`s no point building half assed Aliexpress venue too under Suning. This is a one time build and we better make it nice.

Meazza until new billionaire owner, then invest.

 

[Gal]

We all want a stellar new stadium, but there`s no point building half assed Aliexpress venue too under Suning. This is a one time build and we better make it nice.

Meazza until new billionaire owner, then invest.

No one is going to build a €2b stadium for any Italian team, that’s what is the minimum investment to get a state of the art stadium. I’m sure this is nice enough on the facilities itself, it’s just not a marvel to look at. Also it’s in bloody Rozzano, no one sane is going there to watch a stadium, you go there because of cultural events, work or shopping otherwise it’s not an area you ever would consider visiting.

Also those who will actually buy Inter is not going to build a more exciting stadium then the one proposed as those are investments fonds… They don’t care about aesthetic, they care about numbers in a book and we are not going to be bought by a Sugar Daddy those days have long past.

 

[Forzanerazzurri]

No one is going to build a €2b stadium for any Italian team, that’s what is the minimum investment to get a state of the art stadium. I’m sure this is nice enough on the facilities itself, it’s just not a marvel to look at. Also it’s in bloody Rozzano, no one sane is going there to watch a stadium, you go there because of cultural events, work or shopping otherwise it’s not an area you ever would consider visiting.

Also those who will actually buy Inter is not going to build a more exciting stadium then the one proposed as those are investments fonds… They don’t care about aesthetic, they care about numbers in a book and we are not going to be bought by a Sugar Daddy those days have long past.

You make it sound like Inter is in the Bolivian Second division or something. They have been top 5 in attendance in Europe for several years now in the second best league in the entire world.

Like based on your criteria there are only like 2 or 3 teams in the entire world that could justify a half decent stadium project.

I get the sense from your posts that you don't have much knowledge of Project Finance and Capital Budgeting. Like do you think Suning just pulls some cash out of a savings account for the cost of the stadium and just hands it over to a few builders on the side of the road and they go to work? You can financially structure a stadium build around almost any ownership strength as long as the ROI is there, and for Inter it will be.

Get a grip.

 

[Gal]

You make it sound like Inter is in the Bolivian Second division or something. They have been top 5 in attendance in Europe for several years now in the second best league in the entire world.

Like based on your criteria there are only like 2 or 3 teams in the entire world that could justify a half decent stadium project.

I get the sense from your posts that you don't have much knowledge of Project Finance and Capital Budgeting. Like do you think Suning just pulls some cash out of a savings account for the cost of the stadium and just hands it over to a few builders on the side of the road and they go to work? You can financially structure a stadium build around almost any ownership strength as long as the ROI is there, and for Inter it will be.

Get a grip.

Then tell me how many European football teams can brag of state of the art stadium exactly. Those you linked too are almost all American football stadiums. Tottenham has currently the most expensive football stadium of any team in Europe and that by a very, very long stretch and their financial situation is multitude better then that of Inter. Most teams in Europe are playing on commune owned ground, playing on older stadiums or are renovating existing grounds, the only teams that can afford luxurious stadium projects are english teams as they are the only one with the financial power to do so.

Inter dos not have the revenue, capital nor profit to budget for or finance a €2b project and its highly questionable the project itself can finance through revenue. That project is more 3x the cost of what Inter would need to budget and plan for with the shared stadium that was €1.2b a project you where not satisfied with, because it wasn’t state of the art enough for you.

Allianz was a joint construction and they sold the naming rights and stadium cost has multiplied since then and Bayern ended up paying €11m for the other half.

There currently just two bigger stadiums underway Nou Mestalla and Evertons and it’s a stretch calling either state of the art and both has much smaller capacity and both got financial help we are talking stadiums around €0,4-0,6b

Inter dos not have the financial strength to finance a state of the art project. Having one of the highest number of attendees isn’t changing the financial state of the club as it currently stands and while that is positive in regards to use entree tickets to finance the project, Inter would probably still needs a thirdpart to help finance it. Inter dos not have the finances no matter how they budget for it to build a stadium that would have a cost almost twice of the club’s current market value as it currently stands and it’s questionable a project itself is strong enough for it, largely because increasing entry ticket would be a necessity and what effect would that have on visitors.

Project finance and capital budgeting is all fine, but capital budgeting still needs to be realistic and viable the cost of state of art in Italy isn’t likely to be very viable compared to the alternative. And paying back by the revenue generated by the infrastructure also needs to be within reason. A state of art requires that such actual increases revenue compared to the project that isn’t for it to be a viable solution.

And that would need to compete against Milan stadium, GM and other arenas in the area, because match day revenue isn’t doing it alone. You need concert etc. as well.

 

[Shaun]

I'm sure the renders won't come to anything, but they're definitely nothing to write home about.

However, Gal is completely right. We're not a powerhouse team in regards to revenue. Nor is the league in general.

Also. Serie A isn't the second best league

 

[crzdcolombian]

I'm sure the renders won't come to anything, but they're definitely nothing to write home about.

However, Gal is completely right. We're not a powerhouse team in regards to revenue. Nor is the league in general.

Also. Serie A isn't the second best league

Unless Spain is #1 …. I don’t see epl as the best or 2nd best.

Just richest and most over hyped

 

[CafeCordoba]

And that would need to compete against Milan stadium, GM and other arenas in the area, because match day revenue isn’t doing it alone. You need concert etc. as well.

This is actually a good point. If there's gonna be two stadiums, the revenue projections will be lower for both.

 

[Gal]

This is actually a good point. If there's gonna be two stadiums, the revenue projections will be lower for both.

It’s a shitty situation really, I will never understand Sala this is an own goal of almost epic proportions, he will be left with a stadium with no use and without anyone to pay for maintenance. In the end it will deteriorate and do nothing to the neighbourhood, he had a chance to let the clubs take over the ground and lift the whole area, it was basically the rationale choice that would have benefited the city the most. Now both will move out to individual projects with the consequences of lower revenue projections and higher cost and two major construction projects instead of just one. I just don’t see who stand to win in the current situation, the other was almost a win win for all parties, how they could not see it is incredible.