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Thought he was solid tonight
 

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He was awful in the first half in particular.

Him and Dumfries were the main reason the defense was so nervous and out of sync, which hurt the rest of the team.

Huge mistake not starting Acerbi and Darmian.
 

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De Vrij is a solid back up, but there’s a reason he is a back up. It’s not a coincidence that this guy has folded in some of the biggest moments in recent years.

He should be tighter on Depay for the second goal. I could almost hear screams of Giroud when it hit the back of the net.

He can be great for 89 minutes but he’s got a mistake in him at this level.
 

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He was not at fault for the second goal guys.

It's a team sport.


I honestly am in no mood to start discussions here in this witch hunt of our players, singling out different ones on every possible page or thread... but I'll just throw a crumb in this one.


De Vrij here was betrayed by Darmian and Acerbi who didn't play the offside line as they should have. Those guys are at fault that Depay got the ball, not De Vrij.

But it's too casual to lay blames because everything is black or white...

People are hating on Pavard because of a misclearance that led to a goal (of which VAR could have intervened and given offside on Morata for getting a defender involved there). Which okay, I get someone who never kicked a ball may whine about that, but shit like that happens. And yes, he was also quite underwhelming but he couldn't advance because Dumfries saw himself as a right wing forward and there was too much space left if Pavard was to advance.
And the guy legit had 2 potential goal saving clearances as well. Shit game? No.

De Vrij as well. Almost unbeaten in the air and only lost his man when there was tactical confusion.

Lautaro, definitely one of our better players last night but everyone hating for no reason and then use something that happened 2.5 hours into the game as the poster child of their opinion of what took place before...


It's your fault if you thought Atletico are "shit", pushovers, an easy 2nd leg, not a tough place to play and get a result just because you have zero exposure to the sport and no understanding of cup game dynamics...


For fuck sake I avoided the match thread but then made the mistake of catching up after the end of 90 minutes. What a bunch of toxic nonsense I had to scroll through last night. And it doesn't get better today!
 

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He was not at fault for the second goal guys.

It's a team sport.


I honestly am in no mood to start discussions here in this witch hunt of our players, singling out different ones on every possible page or thread... but I'll just throw a crumb in this one.


De Vrij here was betrayed by Darmian and Acerbi who didn't play the offside line as they should have. Those guys are at fault that Depay got the ball, not De Vrij.

But it's too casual to lay blames because everything is black or white...

People are hating on Pavard because of a misclearance that led to a goal (of which VAR could have intervened and given offside on Morata for getting a defender involved there). Which okay, I get someone who never kicked a ball may whine about that, but shit like that happens. And yes, he was also quite underwhelming but he couldn't advance because Dumfries saw himself as a right wing forward and there was too much space left if Pavard was to advance.
And the guy legit had 2 potential goal saving clearances as well. Shit game? No.

De Vrij as well. Almost unbeaten in the air and only lost his man when there was tactical confusion.

Lautaro, definitely one of our better players last night but everyone hating for no reason and then use something that happened 2.5 hours into the game as the poster child of their opinion of what took place before...


It's your fault if you thought Atletico are "shit", pushovers, an easy 2nd leg, not a tough place to play and get a result just because you have zero exposure to the sport and no understanding of cup game dynamics...


For fuck sake I avoided the match thread but then made the mistake of catching up after the end of 90 minutes. What a bunch of toxic nonsense I had to scroll through last night. And it doesn't get better today!
Great post.

Continues the off-topic here...

I was at least fault at thinking we're better than what we really are. The place we played yesterday is maybe one of the toughest grounds and I underestimated its effect or overestimated our team's ability to operate there. Our opponent and specially the coach was more experienced in these type of games. Atletico has 10 years of experience playing in knockout games and going deep into the competition while our team has like 2 year experience of playing knockout games. I definitely underestimated this aspect. Yes, players change but Simeone is a factor for sure and he's stayed the same for Atletico.
 

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De Vrij is a solid back up, but there’s a reason he is a back up. It’s not a coincidence that this guy has folded in some of the biggest moments in recent years.

He should be tighter on Depay for the second goal. I could almost hear screams of Giroud when it hit the back of the net.

He can be great for 89 minutes but he’s got a mistake in him at this level.
koke should't get the ball in the first place, je was alone with, like 8 of our players
 

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He was not at fault for the second goal guys.

It's a team sport.


I honestly am in no mood to start discussions here in this witch hunt of our players, singling out different ones on every possible page or thread... but I'll just throw a crumb in this one.


De Vrij here was betrayed by Darmian and Acerbi who didn't play the offside line as they should have. Those guys are at fault that Depay got the ball, not De Vrij.

But it's too casual to lay blames because everything is black or white...

People are hating on Pavard because of a misclearance that led to a goal (of which VAR could have intervened and given offside on Morata for getting a defender involved there). Which okay, I get someone who never kicked a ball may whine about that, but shit like that happens. And yes, he was also quite underwhelming but he couldn't advance because Dumfries saw himself as a right wing forward and there was too much space left if Pavard was to advance.
And the guy legit had 2 potential goal saving clearances as well. Shit game? No.

De Vrij as well. Almost unbeaten in the air and only lost his man when there was tactical confusion.

Lautaro, definitely one of our better players last night but everyone hating for no reason and then use something that happened 2.5 hours into the game as the poster child of their opinion of what took place before...


It's your fault if you thought Atletico are "shit", pushovers, an easy 2nd leg, not a tough place to play and get a result just because you have zero exposure to the sport and no understanding of cup game dynamics...


For fuck sake I avoided the match thread but then made the mistake of catching up after the end of 90 minutes. What a bunch of toxic nonsense I had to scroll through last night. And it doesn't get better today!
Not sure if this post is directly speaking to me or not. However I certainly have kicked a ball, albeit at a collegiate level not professionally.

Anyways, I think we’re all aware this is a team sport but a team is also made of individuals. If that weren’t the case players wouldn’t cost too much would they? There are usually multiple things that need to go wrong for a goal to be given up when you’re already in a low block. However, the truth is with Acerbi in the central role this goal probably doesn’t happen.

De Vrij lets Depay get away from him and doesn’t recognize the danger quickly enough. Sure there should be pressure on the ball as well so that the pass doesn’t come in easily, however De Vrij was marking the space and not the man.

It’s a mental lapse and it’s not the first time he’s struggled with that. Albeit he’s having a better season De Vrij has these moments in his game.

Also, just as a general note if we’re going to get sensitive about critiquing players on a forum designed for discussion this is going to be a very boring place.
 

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Great post.

Continues the off-topic here...

I was at least fault at thinking we're better than what we really are. The place we played yesterday is maybe one of the toughest grounds and I underestimated its effect or overestimated our team's ability to operate there. Our opponent and specially the coach was more experienced in these type of games. Atletico has 10 years of experience playing in knockout games and going deep into the competition while our team has like 2 year experience of playing knockout games. I definitely underestimated this aspect. Yes, players change but Simeone is a factor for sure and he's stayed the same for Atletico.
This is the reason why I consider Atletico a big team, even if they are in 4th place or lost to Cadiz.
In these dead or alive games they find always an extra gear. With more experience in these types of games, we will be able to handle better. But everything is a learning curve.
But what cannot comes with experience and this game shows us, we need more muscle (especially in the middle). We lost almost all 50-50 situations.
 

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This is the reason why I consider Atletico a big team, even if they are in 4th place or lost to Cadiz.
In these dead or alive games they find always an extra gear. With more experience in these types of games, we will be able to handle better. But everything is a learning curve.
But what cannot comes with experience and this game shows us, we need more muscle (especially in the middle). We lost almost all 50-50 situations.
Physical DM

@thatdude 👀
 

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I was at least fault at thinking we're better than what we really are.

Who can blame you? We were massively overachieving this season, more than our over-achievement of last season. One can only imagine how far can Inzaghi go for next season with more depth and quality.

I can assure you that every club wants to avoid drawing against Inter as much as Man City and Real Madrid. Nobody wants to play against us. Man City and Atletico have seen why.
 

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Haha I’ve let it go because the results have been so good recently.

However, I’d be lying if I didn’t say the first thing I would do if I was in charge of Inter is swap Asllani for Agoume in the squad so we at least have more physical presence off the bench.
 

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Haha I’ve let it go because the results have been so good recently.

However, I’d be lying if I didn’t say the first thing I would do if I was in charge of Inter is swap Asllani for Agoume in the squad so we at least have more physical presence off the bench.
Dude Agoume couldn't handle our playing style, that's why he's sent away every summer (or wasn't sent this summer but then didn't play).
 

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Dude Agoume couldn't handle our playing style, that's why he's sent away every summer (or wasn't sent this summer but then didn't play).
I highly doubt that is the case. We’ve never tried him in regista role because Asllani is there and the club chose to develop him. It’s classic deciding to develop a player because you spent money on them instead of a youth teamer you got cheap.
 

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Sorry am I drunk or is this still a De Vrij thread?
 

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Yes sorry. We as the mods should know better.
 

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Yes sorry. We as the mods should know better.
Don't apologize to him, what an asshole, just ban him; actually I think we can let him off the hook this time, just let him off with a warning.

Back to SDV, I watched that again, @brehme1989 was right Darmian and Acerbi fucked him up, but @thatdude was also right the marking was too loose, it was almost a free man and a free space to pass to on the left; also he as the middle man should be the last to dictate the offside line, but he rushed up a bit early, and depended others to move the line up, even Bisseck was actually screwing the line up.

Not to mention, in those situation getting in front of the man instead of behind, when you already have 2 screens up front, nothing I like on how he positioned himself, no way you can just rely on an offside play when it is that close to your goal and you have to def your life on it, but it was 85 mins, must be mentally and physically exhausting at that point, and Depay was fresh.


I don't blame Pavard for missing the "clearance", if you can call it that, but normally if one dashes out and claims it, you need to hit it (which he kinda did); especially Bastoni was in position to cover coward Griezmann, unless you are the only chance to nullify the threat, but then also Hakan was not quick enough to fill back SDV's spot. Still the first goal was a fluke goal, if you really want to blame, I rather blame SDV for clearing straight to Koke, but even that is just random. Also yea Morata was offside.
The first goal is really lucky, just shit happens, and it technically hit all 3 of our CBs before getting to coward Griezmann, that French man is a coward, remember his days in Barca, playing as a winger not complaining, he is a fucking coward.
 

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I highly doubt that is the case. We’ve never tried him in regista role because Asllani is there and the club chose to develop him. It’s classic deciding to develop a player because you spent money on them instead of a youth teamer you got cheap.
I'm actually quite certain we've tried him in regista position in trainings many times. Trainings is were the learning happens mostly, specially how to play the style of football the coach wants.
 

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Great post.

Continues the off-topic here...

I was at least fault at thinking we're better than what we really are. The place we played yesterday is maybe one of the toughest grounds and I underestimated its effect or overestimated our team's ability to operate there. Our opponent and specially the coach was more experienced in these type of games. Atletico has 10 years of experience playing in knockout games and going deep into the competition while our team has like 2 year experience of playing knockout games. I definitely underestimated this aspect. Yes, players change but Simeone is a factor for sure and he's stayed the same for Atletico.
So much this! I for one took their home stand for granted as well. I based it on how we should have won our home leg by a better score line so expected more of the same away from home. But yesterday’s price is not today’s price lol
 

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I'm actually quite certain we've tried him in regista position in trainings many times. Trainings is were the learning happens mostly, specially how to play the style of football the coach wants.
All speculation my friend.
 
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