The Italian player debate

Tommi

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I think this article belongs here as well...maybe...
Channel 4 said:
The Italian star (Andrea Pirlo), who scored twice against Scotland on Saturday, has criticised the Nerazzurri for not giving him enough of a chance to prove himself at the San Siro.

"It hurts inside when you want to play so desperately but you are not given the opportunity," stated the midfielder.

"I didn’t feel humiliated but it was sad that I had to ask to quit the club in order to play more regularly."

Pirlo was often overlooked by Inter, a decision they must now be regretting given his impact with their city rivals.

The youngster, who left four years ago, knew the time was right to move on when he couldn’t even get a game under Marco Tardelli.

"I played in every match for him at Under-21 level and was a key figure," added the Italian. "But I wasn’t given any room when he got to Inter."

Pirlo has also revealed that he only agreed to join Internazionale at the request of owner Massimo Moratti.

"I was 18 and all set to join Parma before he called me and told me that Inter wanted me," explained ‘Riverino’.

"I also spoke with him when I decided to leave and he wasn’t that happy but that’s what occurred."
Didn´t we (Tardelli) mostly use foreigners back then (what´s new)? Didn´t Tardelli rather use these -> Cauet, Di Biagio, Dalmat, Jugovic, Farinos and Seedork rather than Pirlo?

This Pirlo deal still pisses me off so vuckin much!
 

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Tommi said:
Didn´t we (Tardelli) mostly use foreigners back then (what´s new)? Didn´t Tardelli rather use these -> Cauet, Di Biagio, Dalmat, Jugovic, Farinos and Seedork rather than Pirlo?

This Pirlo deal still pisses me off so vuckin much!

Yeah, Moratti only recently said when he got Tardelli to coach Inter, he thought that he was going to use Pirlo regularly and make a champion out of him. He was surprised to see that he was hardly ever used.

Tardelli was possibly the less competent coach we ever had. I just can't forget that derby when Serginho kept going on and on and on on that damn wing and the fool just wouldn't do anything to stop him :yuck:
 

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Frisko said:
Gismo said:
It was the only picture that could imprame the mood of this waiting and being overdone with the upcoming derby hell.

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Was that meant to be "improve/lift"?

Alex get your act together, you're scaring the posters with the strangest posts ever! :eek:
It is kinda the point for me to get you all in the derby mood now. The opposite option is childish behaviour and this attitude always brings bad charm vs. Lucky Luke Milan.

Scaring? :D Oh well, I´ll try to tone a bit down then. ;)
 

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It is kinda the point for me to get you all in the derby mood now.
Is that, what this crazy bitch stuff is all about. :eek: :confused: :rolleyes:
 

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Ari said:
Gismo said:
It is kinda the point for me to get you all in the derby mood now.
Is that, what this crazy bitch stuff is all about. :eek: :confused: :rolleyes:
I act like a rich women everytime Viborg meats Silkeborg and Inter meats Milan. I can´t clarify the meaning of winning so I turn immediately to money instead...
 

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Silkeborg rules.....NOT :(

That's an alternative way to say it... :eek: Alex you have given me several shock the last couple of days, I beg you, don't do it again.
 

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Sure, Mikkel. But I´m so eager right now I can´t shut up. ;)
 

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Tommi said:
Hamed said:
And Don T, I think I understand where you are coming from. What the french does, snatching up youngsters, is wrong and I want it to stop. What I meant was players that lived in the country for a while and want to represent it from their own will, not attracted by money or glory hunting.
That´s true, that´s the main reason i hate their national team.
Hamed said:
I think Flavio Roma read this and decided to give us his 2 cents:

“In Italy the clubs always seem eager to find a foreign buy and that is a problem for those coming through the ranks. Now we find many talented Italian players in the mid-table sides and you can see that influence in the current Nazionale squad.”

This is what I call a pathetic excuse.
It may be a pathetic excuse, but the words i highlighted are so true. So true for the big clubs like us. We do everything that we could to sign foreigner(s) instead of italian(s). I doubt we even think about who´s better...We also have many talented players in our youth team, but i doubt Mancini will give them even a chance to show their worth.

Mancini has called up marino and megrioni this season in serie a all ready. he also used a lot of youth teamers in pre season friendlies. Mancini will give those he thinks is the best thier chance.

Firstly Inter would sign more italian if the price's where comparable. If you compare the prices for the same quality players italian vs foreinger usually the foreigner is cheaper hence it makes business sense to sign him. Nothing to do with prefer 1 over the other. If they were valued equally I am sure Inter would opt for the one who doesn't need to get to know a new league and culture.
 

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Adriano said:
Silkeborg rules.....NOT :(

That's an alternative way to say it... :eek: Alex you have given me several shock the last couple of days, I beg you, don't do it again.
Well...

I still get frustrated like hell about when we beat you. It feels so bad sometimes I actually WANT you to beat Viborg in my head to make it look right afterwards. ;):P

That way it´s frustration having a too confident VFF. Sometimes...
 

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UEFA approves home-grown quotas


TALLINN, April 21 (Reuters) - Clubs taking part in European club competitions must include eight home-grown players in their 25-man squads by the start of the 2008-09 season following a landmark decision taken at UEFA's annual congress on Thursday.
The new rule will come into force at the start of the 2006-07 season with four home-grown players in the squads for Champions League and UEFA Cup matches, rising to six in 2007-08 and eight the season after.


The ruling does not apply to domestic competitions, although UEFA is encouraging its members to adopt the rule in their own competitions too.

The home-grown rule was the major decision approved by UEFA's 52 member nations, although the congress also agreed to defer the election for the next president of UEFA and other executive committee elections until 2007 to bring UEFA into line with FIFA and most of the other confederations.

Meanwhile, both UEFA president Lennart Johansson and his FIFA counterpart Sepp Blatter, who addressed the congress, condemned the recent outbreaks of violence, corruption and continued racism in the sport.

'There are dark clouds threatening on the horizon,' said Blatter, who added: 'we must all live up to our social and educational responsibilities.'

Johansson told reporters later that UEFA seriously condemned the latest outbreaks of violence in Italy and the Netherlands and said all UEFA members are aware of their responsibilities.

'They all know what they should be doing,' he said. 'We tell them over and over again.'

The home-grown rule was designed at least partly to redress the balance in terms of clubs fielding locally developed players who they either trained themselves or were coached at another club within the same country.

The ruling has evolved over months of negotiation with the European Union, governments, politicians and all of football's 'stakeholders', the clubs, national associations, coaches and academies at grass-roots level.

The problem was to devise a system that did not conflict with the EU's eligibility laws as there are no longer any restrictions on player movement in Europe.

So, a young player of any nationality can be developed between the ages of 15 and 21 for three years as a junior and be eligible as a home-grown player.

A six-point declaration adopted by congress laid out the fundamentals of the plan, which is effectively designed to also stop rich clubs 'hoarding' players as well as just buying in success.

'The training and development of young players is of crucial importance to the future of football. Every football club in every national association should play a part in this process,' the declaration says.

It also states that while UEFA recognises the part that finance plays in football today, the game 'should not be a mere financial contest. It should above all be a sporting contest.

'This sporting element means that every club must accept some responsibility for training and not rely solely on acquiring those players who were trained by others.'

Executive committee member Per Ravn Omdal, who presented the plan to the congress, said it was of fundamental importance to football's future that home-grown players had more influence at their clubs.

'This is just a start,' he told Reuters afterwards. 'We have deliberately started it in a modest way so that clubs can keep step with the development of the scheme.

'I know there might be some pitfalls, that clubs might try and poach players even younger than they are now, but they do this anyway today although there are laws of the land which should be observed.'

The announcement that the elections for the presidency of UEFA were being put back a year until 2007 has thrown the election campaign of Michel Platini into some disarray. Platini will now not campaign until this time next year at the earliest.

Johansson, 75, who has been UEFA president since 1990, said: 'Perhaps he will become the next president, why not? But some executive members felt he has started his campaign too early.

'Franz Beckenbauer has also told me he is considering throwing his hat in the ring.'

Intriguingly Johansson did not rule himself out of the race although he has hinted strongly in the past he would retire after his current term ends.
 

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Not a surpice thoug, I expected that to be offecial. And now it is.

then will have 2 a littel over one season, to fullfille it. No worries.

we have
Martins
Marco Andreolli
Dino Marino

And have loaned out players like
Potenza Dellafiore
Moreau
Cordaz
Eliakwu
Nicola Beati


So the 8 players might be thise in 08/09
Cordaz/Moreau 3'rd keeper
Potenza 1st choise LB
Dellafiore reserve CB/RB
Meggiorini reserve striker
Eliakwu reserve striker
Martins 1'st choise

We just have to find 2 more in our own sector and we will be just fine, and that is very posible.
 

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Adriano said:
Not a surpice thoug, I expected that to be offecial. And now it is.

then will have 2 a littel over one season, to fullfille it. No worries.

we have
Martins
Marco Andreolli
Dino Marino

And have loaned out players like
Potenza Dellafiore
Moreau
Cordaz
Eliakwu
Nicola Beati


So the 8 players might be thise in 08/09
Cordaz/Moreau 3'rd keeper
Potenza 1st choise LB
Dellafiore reserve CB/RB
Meggiorini reserve striker
Eliakwu reserve striker
Martins 1'st choise

We just have to find 2 more in our own sector and we will be just fine, and that is very posible.

It's 4 academy and 4 federation players. We can also use stankovic as a fed player since he qualifies through his time at lazio. Not sure about any others we have who could be federation players. Vieri can't since he spend that time in australia.
 

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At least we have 4 Italian surnames in that line-up. :)

I wouldn't mind the 3 player minimum, and if we hadn't sold Cannavaro we'd have 3 anyway. :frustrat:

Technically, we have 3 Italians in that line-up since Cambiasso has an Italian passport.
 

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primo-inter said:
At least we have 4 Italian surnames in that line-up. :)

I wouldn't mind the 3 player minimum, and if we hadn't sold Cannavaro we'd have 3 anyway. :frustrat:

Technically, we have 3 Italians in that line-up since Cambiasso has an Italian passport.

You misunderstand it man. Homegrown doesn't mean italian. All it means is any player that spend 3 years from the age of 15-21 at the clubs academy qualifies as a home grown player like oba martins and any player that spend 3 years between 15 and 21 at any club with the federation of the same club as where he is currently would qualify as a federation player like stankovic.
 

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Jony inspired me when he spoke italians and south-americas in Coppa italia thread.

Currently we have 13 italians in our team. That´s good number and i´m happy with that, allthought many of them are youngsters and hardly ever plays. Now, i´m just wondering what will happen in the summer and how many italians we have when the next season begans, this is how i see the transfer market [regarding our beloved italians] goes...

12 FONTANA ALBERTO Jan 23 1967 Italy - RETIRE/SOLD
1 TOLDO FRANCESCO Dec 2 1971 Italy - STAY

49 ANDREOLLI MARCO Jun 10 1986 Italy - LOAN
77 COCO FRANCESCO Jan 8 1977 Italy - SOLD
39 FAUTARIO SIMONE Feb 12 1987 Italy - LOAN
16 FAVALLI GIUSEPPE Jan 8 1972 Italy - STAY
40 GIANI NICOLAS Mar 13 1986 Italy - LOAN
23 MATERAZZI MARCO Aug 19 1973 Italy - Might be SOLD

BIAVA FABRIZIO Aug 25 1983 Italy - LOAN
47 MARINO DINO May 23 1985 Italy - LOAN
6 ZANETTI CRISTIANO Apr 10 1977 Italy - Might be SOLD

50 MOMENTE' MATTEO Feb 26 1987 Italy - LOAN
32 VIERI CHRISTIAN Jul 12 1973 Italy - Might be SOLD

As you see, worst case scenario would be that we´ll just have two [2] italians for the upcoming season [Toldo and Favalli]. Not very realistic though. Three [3] players that might stay or be sold [Cristiano, Materazzi and Vieri]. I think about all of those youngsters will be loaned, maybe Marino and Andreolli will stay [and not play], maybe?

Then, how many south-americans we have. I counted 12. Let´s see how many will stay...

15 CARINI FABIAN Dec 26 1979 Uruguay - STAY

3 BURDISSO NICOLAS ANDRES Apr 12 1981 Argentina - LOAN
2 CORDOBA IVAN RAMIRO Aug 11 1976 Colombia - STAY
24 GAMARRA CARLOS ALBERTO Feb 17 1971 Paraguay - SOLD
4 ZANETTI JAVIER Aug 10 1973 Argentina - STAY
13 ZE MARIA FERREIRA JOSE’ MARCELO Jul 25 1973 Brazil - STAY

19 CAMBIASSO ESTEBAN MATIAS Aug 18 1980 Argentina - STAY
18 KILY GONZALEZ CRISTIAN ALBERTO PERET Aug 4 1974 Argentina - STAY
14 VERON JUAN SEBASTIAN Mar 9 1975 Argentina - STAY

10 ADRIANO LEITE RIBEIRO Feb 17 1982 Brazil - STAY
9 CRUZ JULIO RICARDO Oct 10 1974 Argentina - Might be SOLD
20 RECOBA ALVARO Mar 17 1976 Uruguay - Might be SOLD

At least eight [8] will stay [and didnt we sign that new goalkeeper already, Cesar?] and how many we´ll buy in the summer? Taddei, Luisao, Simplicio and the list goes on and on. Do we need them or do we just buy them ´cause they´re south-americans? Why not buy better players like Esposito, why not take Potenza and Semioli back instead?

When will this end...when will someone realize that even when we´re called Internazionale it doesn´t mean we should only buy foreigners.

Last note regarding transfers, as i said...i´m only speculating and thinking aloud.

Now, let´s compare how many minutes these 13 italians played against the 12 south-americans. Italians must win this battle now...

12 FONTANA ALBERTO Jan 23 1967 Italy -
1 TOLDO FRANCESCO Dec 2 1971 Italy - 3632 min

49 ANDREOLLI MARCO Jun 10 1986 Italy - 34 min
77 COCO FRANCESCO Jan 8 1977 Italy -
39 FAUTARIO SIMONE Feb 12 1987 Italy -
16 FAVALLI GIUSEPPE Jan 8 1972 Italy - 2938 min
40 GIANI NICOLAS Mar 13 1986 Italy -
23 MATERAZZI MARCO Aug 19 1973 Italy - 3390 min

BIAVA FABRIZIO Aug 25 1983 Italy -
47 MARINO DINO May 23 1985 Italy - 90 min
6 ZANETTI CRISTIANO Apr 10 1977 Italy - 2303 min

50 MOMENTE' MATTEO Feb 26 1987 Italy -
32 VIERI CHRISTIAN Jul 12 1973 Italy - 2322 min

Overall = 14709 minutes

15 CARINI FABIAN Dec 26 1979 Uruguay - 786 min

3 BURDISSO NICOLAS ANDRES Apr 12 1981 Argentina - 1184 min
2 CORDOBA IVAN RAMIRO Aug 11 1976 Colombia - 4150 min
24 GAMARRA CARLOS ALBERTO Feb 17 1971 Paraguay - 90 min
4 ZANETTI JAVIER Aug 10 1973 Argentina - 4232 min
13 ZE MARIA FERREIRA JOSE’ MARCELO Jul 25 1973 Brazil - 2428 min

19 CAMBIASSO ESTEBAN MATIAS Aug 18 1980 Argentina - 3738 min
18 KILY GONZALEZ CRISTIAN ALBERTO PERET Aug 4 1974 Argentina - 1191 min
14 VERON JUAN SEBASTIAN Mar 9 1975 Argentina - 3187 min

10 ADRIANO LEITE RIBEIRO Feb 17 1982 Brazil - 3260 min
9 CRUZ JULIO RICARDO Oct 10 1974 Argentina - 1646 min
20 RECOBA ALVARO Mar 17 1976 Uruguay - 1052 min

Overall = 23757 minutes

Holy moly! Quite a difference if you ask me. All in all, what did we learn here today?

Let´s buy italians! Let´s buy italians! :star: :star: :star:
 

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Cred to you Tommi! :star:
For various reasons I'm also for more quality domestic players in our squad.
 

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The fact that we are called Internazionale says it all. Who cares about ones nationality as long as the passion for the club is there.

i agree! Internazionale was born when AC Milan againts player from other nationality! so, whoever support "gaiants player from other nationality" are AC Milan fan! so, what in the HELL u doing in the INTERNAZIONALE FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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BTW, i think this is one of the reasons why inter couldn't win the scudetto becasue : the stupid referre and the italian federation---> are same with AC Milan who wants more italian in the club which Internazionale are not....if not, we could have won the scudeto in the 98/99 and 01/02 seasons..dang! this is racist!!!!!
 

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So because several of us want more Italians in our team we are BBilan fans? We don't want a full team of Italians - just one with more of them...

Fabio :)
 
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