2009/2010 Defenders rumours topic

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Okay. Let's put it this way that in my opinion the right time is next summer.

Btw, how Nesta got to do with this? Samuel is no Nesta, Lucio is no Nesta. Chivu is no Nesta albeit his injury record speaks the same language with Nesta's one. And I don't rate Chivu as high as you.
 

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What Nesta has to do with this? Nesta is a proof, that even if you're 34 you can still be a great deffender. Point taken, he is best of all of them, but we are not exactly comparing here Nesta with Bonera, but with Brazil NT captain, with Walter 'The Wall' Samuel and with Cristian who was once one of the leaders of Roma and is still one of the best deffenders in the league.

Okay. Let's put it this way that in my opinion the right time is next summer.
You say it Cafe only because of the age, nothing else. I know that, because this is the only thing you're certain of. That they all will be older, that's it.

What if we will win CL this year, and Lucio/Samuel will be our Ferdinand/Vidic kinda deal. Will you still say we need a deffender?

And you forgot in your post above one detail, that made me write my response. You've said "starter". With taking a young center back, I'm ok, as long as there is a space there, and it seems the only way we will achieve that is if Cordoba will ask for a transfer.

But saying that we will need a young center back for a starting position when Lucio and Samuel are 33 is based on absolutely nothing, because currently nothing suggests that either of those deffenders is in decline.
 

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IMO the decline can happen fast. Two years ago Cordoba was undoubtedly a starter. Last year we started to see he is declining so Inter analyzed we need a new starter. And yes, age is the biggest reason to me. That is because it's so universal defenders start to decline in 32-33. Injuries start to take longer time to recover and speed is not the same on the pitch. Chivu is not that old but somehow he's picking up injuries all the time. I wouldn't count on that kind of player.

Experience is of course a huge factor with defenders but that's why I'd like to have that young guy coming to Inter already this summer. That way he can gather experience, perhaps even CL-exp already next season, when he doesn't have all the pressure on his shoulders. :)
 

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So, are we talking about a new blood, or are we talking about a young starter, because Lucio and Samuel will be not good enough when they are 33 ?
 

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So, are we talking about a new blood, or are we talking about a young starter, because Lucio and Samuel will be not good enough when they are 33 ?

I'm talking about a young defender who comes to Inter next summer, who could learn from the experienced ones, have some playing time, integrate into the team and so on. Then in season 2011/2012 he could be our starter along with one of Lucio/Samuel/Chivu. Maybe one of them is already gone when that season starts who knows. Maybe Cordoba is gone.

Point is, I wouldn't push the evolution of the defence too far to the future and to me getting the new guy in 2011/2012 is pushing it too far to the future. You disagree and that's fine.
 

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Isn't Terry too 33?

Age is a concern actually. But we know defenders are still at their best till 33. So we can wait for a while. I would like to see a young CB but only if he gets some minutes. Not when he has Chivu, Cordoba, Matrix to fight with after Lucio and Samuel.
 

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IMO the decline can happen fast. Two years ago Cordoba was undoubtedly a starter. Last year we started to see he is declining so Inter analyzed we need a new starter. And yes, age is the biggest reason to me. That is because it's so universal defenders start to decline in 32-33. Injuries start to take longer time to recover and speed is not the same on the pitch. Chivu is not that old but somehow he's picking up injuries all the time. I wouldn't count on that kind of player.

Experience is of course a huge factor with defenders but that's why I'd like to have that young guy coming to Inter already this summer. That way he can gather experience, perhaps even CL-exp already next season, when he doesn't have all the pressure on his shoulders. :)

With defenders who rely on speed I would agree with you. But samuel and chivu have never been guys who rely on speed they rely more on positioning. They will still be efficient when they are older while guys like cordoba will be done. IMHO the guy that has to go is cafe, I know that will upset the sentimental ones but that's the reality.
 

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With defenders who rely on speed I would agree with you. But samuel and chivu have never been guys who rely on speed they rely more on positioning. They will still be efficient when they are older while guys like cordoba will be done. IMHO the guy that has to go is cafe, I know that will upset the sentimental ones but that's the reality.

But if you are slow, you are slow. Mourinho wants to play with higher defence and having slower Samuel and Chivu there isn't helping the cause.
 

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Then in season 2011/2012 he could be our starter along with one of Lucio/Samuel/Chivu.
What if we'll take him, and all of those will keep their level for next 5 years ?

Then because of the rush, we'll waste money on player, who will be bought to learn from other guys, and maybe along the way he will start complaining for not being a starter, and we'll just waste the money?

Isn't that wiser, to wait untill we see a decline in one of those three, and then think about buying a young player ?

It seems like you base on when we need a change on age, but you change aged players not because they are old are you ?

If we had Maicon who would play at the same level as he is right now until he is 45, you would still call to buy a young deffender when he is 30 ?

I'm pretty sure our management is following the same logic. There will be the time for including a young deffender in the team, but I hardly believe it will be because of the age of players.

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You made me confused, because you've said:

"So IMO we need someone fresh but adapted defender to be our starter at that time."
 

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But if you are slow, you are slow. Mourinho wants to play with higher defence and having slower Samuel and Chivu there isn't helping the cause.

If your positioning is good you can handle a higher line if your defensive midfielder's do their job. I don't see chivu or samuel as a major issue. Cafe's diminishing speed should be a much bigger concern and should be enough reason for him to go if someone has to go.
 

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"So IMO we need someone fresh but adapted defender to be our starter at that time."

With "fresh but adapted" I meant a new young defender, who has already integrated into the team, by being a substitute for one season (2010/2011).
 

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If your positioning is good you can handle a higher line if your defensive midfielder's do their job. I don't see chivu or samuel as a major issue. Cafe's diminishing speed should be a much bigger concern and should be enough reason for him to go if someone has to go.

less margin for error...

reason why defenders like cannavaro and cordoba were still incredibly useful is because they could make mistakes (not that they did very often) and still recover back to defend

what we do need is more speed, thats where the modern game is evolving, and thats where we should be concentrating our targets in.

this is true for all parts of the field, not just defense.
 

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Inter linked with Genoa's Sokratis Papastathopoulos(center back) and Panathinaikos' Sotiris Ninis(right winger/attacking midfielder)

http://beta.prasinanea.gr/football/article2789.ece

The article is in Greek, you can use a translator, it says that Genoa wants around 10 milion euros for the center back, and Ninis might be a target as well, but there's no concrete interest(same agent)

Papastathopoulos is just 20-21, and he's the best Greek center back out there, followed by Liverpool's Kyrgiakos. He's a great prospect and Inter would be lucky to have him!
 

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inter were linked with him in the summer i believe when we were looking for a cb and got lucio
 

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I'm a dortmund fan also so there maybe some bias here, but I reckon Subotic is a CB we could be looking at, tall and atheltic, technical, decently quick, good clean tackler... interesting he went to a college not to far from mine in Florida... small world
 

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Manchester City will try to sign Inter Milan's Brazilian right-back Maicon (28) for 35 million Euros this summer.
if this is true that sell him he isnt even worth that anymore with the way he is playing this year
 

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dont no how good of a source this is but it says Inter Wants Cristian Zapata valued at 15 million euro which is way way way to high

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Neah, not if you consider we payed 15 for Mancini... But I don't believe we need to sign a defender this summer. If we do, Zapata is a very good option.
 

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Neah, not if you consider we payed 15 for Mancini... But I don't believe we need to sign a defender this summer. If we do, Zapata is a very good option.



Mancini should not be our measuring block on how much to spend on a player...
 
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